Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?
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coldel said:
durbster said:
It may be because you've just agreed with the basis for tackling human caused climate change without realising. 
That is how I read it too. Admitting that climate change is real and happening because humans have upset the natural balance of the ecosystem and pushed it in a direction too quickly than nature would normally have allowed. durbster said:
jshell said:
andyeds1234 said:
jshell said:
We mess with the weather and climate at our own peril. If we take action, we better know how to stop it or shut it off. If we push the planet into a serious cooling phase then we are in REAL trouble. You can hide from heat, you can't hide from cold.
You couldn’t make this stuff up.
We have plenty of examples of the 'law of unintended consequence' throughout human history...
So, where is my 'take' wrong? Is it being a CT to suggest that physically trying to alter the finely balanced wather/climate should be done with extreme caution?
jshell said:
coldel said:
durbster said:
It may be because you've just agreed with the basis for tackling human caused climate change without realising.
That is how I read it too. Admitting that climate change is real and happening because humans have upset the natural balance of the ecosystem and pushed it in a direction too quickly than nature would normally have allowed. But…”we push the planet into a serious cooling phase then we are in REAL trouble. You can hide from heat, you can't hide from cold.
The tipping of the balance could be deadly”
I repeat, you couldn’t make this stuff up.
mko9 said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's why, if you read the Times you should also read the Guardian and vice versa. The FT as the third paper also makes sense.
As soon as one's MSM source is the Express or DailyMail etc then one has misunderstood the difference between news media and soft porn with a side of dumbass goading and fear mongering.
The only end result of consuming tabloid media is a belief of things like World War 2 bombers being on the moon and looking at grass gives you bum cancer.
Interesting that you could only come up with two examples of right leaning bias, and none of left leaning bias.As soon as one's MSM source is the Express or DailyMail etc then one has misunderstood the difference between news media and soft porn with a side of dumbass goading and fear mongering.
The only end result of consuming tabloid media is a belief of things like World War 2 bombers being on the moon and looking at grass gives you bum cancer.
Killer2005 said:
It's a divisive article, as is this entire thread as there are 'conspiracy theorists' which many will determine as tin foil hat wearing, paranoid oddballs who'll believe every theory. There is also a mindset whereby certain things just don't sit too well and ere on the side of a conspiracy without going so far as saying the earth is flat, and denying everything. Then there are people at the totally opposite end of the scale who think it's insane that you'd even question anything and the media/news outlets are absolutely right. With regards this article, they refer to those who think Covid was a hoax but don't define what hoax refers to. Do they believe it was completely made up and Covid didn't exist? Did they think that Covid was used to scare the public, make lots of money for specific people and possibly socially engineer people and that the fear instilled was a hoax? I suspect more people fall into the latter category as everyone would have known someone who was ill with a flu (likely Covid) over that time.
I find these theories fascinating without believing them or feeling the need to shout them at people but some have proven to be true. People were concerned over the Covid vaccine but labelled conspiracy theorists, yet Astrazenica has admitted rare side effects of blood clots and it's now been removed (multiple reasons given as to why but this was one). The concept of weather manipulation was ridiculed 5-6 years ago yet is commonly accepted now.
Not every conspiracy comes true, many are utter nonsense but some do. Personally, I'd rather read about a conspiracy theory that's detrimental and it turn out to be false that's for sure.
This has got the chemtrails CTists jumping.
They claim that the Met Office have admitted they spray the sky with chemicals.
Contrails (which they refuse to acknowledge in that they are ice crystals) + Geo engineering = chemtrails.
Enter another youchoob t*at, who thinks he knows more than the scientists, and that anything official is all lies, and bingo!
They’re off!
https://youtu.be/PVUOj9eU0xg?si=9fDIVDVROFMkqxAs
They claim that the Met Office have admitted they spray the sky with chemicals.
Contrails (which they refuse to acknowledge in that they are ice crystals) + Geo engineering = chemtrails.
Enter another youchoob t*at, who thinks he knows more than the scientists, and that anything official is all lies, and bingo!
They’re off!
https://youtu.be/PVUOj9eU0xg?si=9fDIVDVROFMkqxAs
How do you find all this rubbish?
I'm of the generation where you only heard this sort of deluded, whackjob tripe if you went into a town's loser pub and then stood at the bar next to one of the losers who lived there. Clones of each other whose poverty was always someone else's fault and they were always so much smarter than anyone who'd ever employ them.
Sticky floors, prossie bar maid, nonce landlord and the little army of losers who knew everything about everything and could have been someone if it weren't for their principles and the fact that they were a maverick who saw through the corporate bulls
t.
Once you're over 18 you no longer have the need of those establishments so you tend to never hear the words of those utter losers again.
Obviously today they've gone online. The exact same type of person spewing the same insanities and with the same Dunning Kruger loaded self belief.
But why go looking ? Why listen? Why propagate their disease?
Also, is their illness not contagious? Aren't you worried that if you live in the loony bin you might start barking at spiders?
I'm of the generation where you only heard this sort of deluded, whackjob tripe if you went into a town's loser pub and then stood at the bar next to one of the losers who lived there. Clones of each other whose poverty was always someone else's fault and they were always so much smarter than anyone who'd ever employ them.
Sticky floors, prossie bar maid, nonce landlord and the little army of losers who knew everything about everything and could have been someone if it weren't for their principles and the fact that they were a maverick who saw through the corporate bulls
t. Once you're over 18 you no longer have the need of those establishments so you tend to never hear the words of those utter losers again.
Obviously today they've gone online. The exact same type of person spewing the same insanities and with the same Dunning Kruger loaded self belief.
But why go looking ? Why listen? Why propagate their disease?
Also, is their illness not contagious? Aren't you worried that if you live in the loony bin you might start barking at spiders?
andyeds1234 said:
jshell said:
coldel said:
durbster said:
It may be because you've just agreed with the basis for tackling human caused climate change without realising.
That is how I read it too. Admitting that climate change is real and happening because humans have upset the natural balance of the ecosystem and pushed it in a direction too quickly than nature would normally have allowed. But…”we push the planet into a serious cooling phase then we are in REAL trouble. You can hide from heat, you can't hide from cold.
The tipping of the balance could be deadly”
I repeat, you couldn’t make this stuff up.
It's a valid scientific question. So, what is your argument to this?
jshell said:
andyeds1234 said:
jshell said:
coldel said:
durbster said:
It may be because you've just agreed with the basis for tackling human caused climate change without realising.
That is how I read it too. Admitting that climate change is real and happening because humans have upset the natural balance of the ecosystem and pushed it in a direction too quickly than nature would normally have allowed. But…”we push the planet into a serious cooling phase then we are in REAL trouble. You can hide from heat, you can't hide from cold.
The tipping of the balance could be deadly”
I repeat, you couldn’t make this stuff up.
It's a valid scientific question. So, what is your argument to this?
...tongue in cheek of course, as we know how this would go down in 'other' threads.
coldel said:
jshell said:
andyeds1234 said:
jshell said:
coldel said:
durbster said:
It may be because you've just agreed with the basis for tackling human caused climate change without realising.
That is how I read it too. Admitting that climate change is real and happening because humans have upset the natural balance of the ecosystem and pushed it in a direction too quickly than nature would normally have allowed. But…”we push the planet into a serious cooling phase then we are in REAL trouble. You can hide from heat, you can't hide from cold.
The tipping of the balance could be deadly”
I repeat, you couldn’t make this stuff up.
It's a valid scientific question. So, what is your argument to this?
...tongue in cheek of course, as we know how this would go down in 'other' threads.
The atmosphere is a non-linear, multi-chaotic system with more inputs and dependencies than we'll ever understand - and I know control systems! So, if we push too hard on one variable, what will be the reaction from the other variables?
Look what happened when we moved shipping to low sulphur fuel! Only afterwards did we see that the sulphur emissions had been providing a cooling effect and that we stepped-up a level of warming! https://phys.org/news/2024-05-sulfur-content-shipp...
Did anyone see that coming? Do we go back to high sulphur fuels? And then what do we do when we've converted shipping to LNG or Hydrogen or Electric?
Do we fully understand the cloud albedo effects on surface warming? The IPCC say they don't model clouds, so what if we change cloud formations? What if we create a new cloud formation system that we cannot reverse?
Honestly, I think it's terrifying!
DonkeyApple said:
How do you find all this rubbish?
I'm of the generation where you only heard this sort of deluded, whackjob tripe if you went into a town's loser pub and then stood at the bar next to one of the losers who lived there. Clones of each other whose poverty was always someone else's fault and they were always so much smarter than anyone who'd ever employ them.
Sticky floors, prossie bar maid, nonce landlord and the little army of losers who knew everything about everything and could have been someone if it weren't for their principles and the fact that they were a maverick who saw through the corporate bullst.
Once you're over 18 you no longer have the need of those establishments so you tend to never hear the words of those utter losers again.
Obviously today they've gone online. The exact same type of person spewing the same insanities and with the same Dunning Kruger loaded self belief.
But why go looking ? Why listen? Why propagate their disease?
Also, is their illness not contagious? Aren't you worried that if you live in the loony bin you might start barking at spiders?
Just sometimes I wish you would get off the fence I'm of the generation where you only heard this sort of deluded, whackjob tripe if you went into a town's loser pub and then stood at the bar next to one of the losers who lived there. Clones of each other whose poverty was always someone else's fault and they were always so much smarter than anyone who'd ever employ them.
Sticky floors, prossie bar maid, nonce landlord and the little army of losers who knew everything about everything and could have been someone if it weren't for their principles and the fact that they were a maverick who saw through the corporate bulls
t. Once you're over 18 you no longer have the need of those establishments so you tend to never hear the words of those utter losers again.
Obviously today they've gone online. The exact same type of person spewing the same insanities and with the same Dunning Kruger loaded self belief.
But why go looking ? Why listen? Why propagate their disease?
Also, is their illness not contagious? Aren't you worried that if you live in the loony bin you might start barking at spiders?
To be honest I do like to watch CT videos and stuff ... again just to see the language used by these types that propagate nonsense as well researched fact.
Its interesting to see not only how deeply seated in the idea they are, but also how they see it as their 'mission' to invade anyones space and push this onto them, and if they don't agree, then they are put in the 'sheep' box.
The behaviour is very bizarre, although as mentioned, all explainable.
Its interesting to see not only how deeply seated in the idea they are, but also how they see it as their 'mission' to invade anyones space and push this onto them, and if they don't agree, then they are put in the 'sheep' box.
The behaviour is very bizarre, although as mentioned, all explainable.
DonkeyApple said:
How do you find all this rubbish?
I find it fascinating that people can be taken in by these self important YouTube loons, that’s all.The triumphant cry of ‘I told you so!’
‘It’s all here, in this clip, they’ve admitted it, I was right all along!’
Oh, and I didn’t go looking for it. I questioned how they arrived at the notion that chemtrails were real, and they linked the clip.
Edited by Notch 8 on Friday 7th June 11:37
jshell said:
The planet is warming, of that there is no question. Man's contribution is real but indeterminate - even by the IPCC. So, if we take action to start a cooling phase, how do we stop it if we push things in the other direction?
It's a valid scientific question. So, what is your argument to this?
For those of us in Britain it's a simpler scenario in reality. MMCC and its legislation gives the U.K. a massive economic competitive advantage so we would be mad to not work with it whether we believe it or not. Personally, I don't trouble myself at all as to whether MMCC is relevant or not, I can see very clearly that my children will have a better life and advantage as a result of the actions being taken. And all I have to do is eventually change a car, which I was going to be doing anyway and eventually change a gas boiler which I'd be doing anyway. For a U.K. citizen there's no downside so it would be daft to invest effort in fighting for what is only a Pyrrhic victory. It's a valid scientific question. So, what is your argument to this?
To think that Charlie Manson, David Koresh, and all the other cult leaders of the past had to craft that cult carefully, in person.
Then the internet and YouTube/TikTok/Rumble etc came along, and of course Social Meeja to link it all up.
It would have made their ‘calling’ so much easier.
It’s actually quite a scary thought.
Then the internet and YouTube/TikTok/Rumble etc came along, and of course Social Meeja to link it all up.
It would have made their ‘calling’ so much easier.
It’s actually quite a scary thought.
DonkeyApple said:
For those of us in Britain it's a simpler scenario in reality. MMCC and its legislation gives the U.K. a massive economic competitive advantage so we would be mad to not work with it whether we believe it or not. Personally, I don't trouble myself at all as to whether MMCC is relevant or not, I can see very clearly that my children will have a better life and advantage as a result of the actions being taken. And all I have to do is eventually change a car, which I was going to be doing anyway and eventually change a gas boiler which I'd be doing anyway. For a U.K. citizen there's no downside so it would be daft to invest effort in fighting for what is only a Pyrrhic victory.
But its all run by 'them' !And what about your freedoms!
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