Misfits, Dad's Army Types et al...

[LimaDelta]

98elise said:

egor110 said:

98elise said:

Agreed. The bloke isn't questioning his service or how many tours he did though. He seems to be questioning if he had been "in combat".

Define in combat.

If you were a chef at Kandahar was that in combat ?

If you were a medic/nurse from the navy pushed over to land operations was that in combat ?

Military intelligence , if you never left Kandahar were you in combat?

Difficult to say. You can be in a warzone and be...

1. Unlikely to come under fire
2. Likely to come under fire
3. Under fire

I would say...

1. No
2. Possibly
3. Yes

There were many civilians, journalists and government types who came 'under fire', from mortars, snipers, etc. Even Ross Kemp got shot at. I'm not convinced that counts as being 'in combat', more an observer than a participant. Being in combat is when you are returning fire, door kicking and fixing bayonets.

[Tenacious]

LimaDelta said:

98elise said:

egor110 said:

98elise said:

Agreed. The bloke isn't questioning his service or how many tours he did though. He seems to be questioning if he had been "in combat".

Define in combat.

If you were a chef at Kandahar was that in combat ?

If you were a medic/nurse from the navy pushed over to land operations was that in combat ?

Military intelligence , if you never left Kandahar were you in combat?

Difficult to say. You can be in a warzone and be...

1. Unlikely to come under fire
2. Likely to come under fire
3. Under fire

I would say...

1. No
2. Possibly
3. Yes

There were many civilians, journalists and government types who came 'under fire', from mortars, snipers, etc. Even Ross Kemp got shot at. I'm not convinced that counts as being 'in combat', more an observer than a participant. Being in combat is when you are returning fire, door kicking and fixing bayonets.

The definition of combat is to engage in fighting with weapons.

[anonymoususer]

XDA said:

Dibble said:

I’m not sure how much of the nonsense Adderley is personally responsible for circulating, but it would’ve taken him two seconds to Google himself and correct any mistakes.

He’s responsible for most, if not all of it.

He did absolutely nothing to correct the record whenever his (now false) military service was mentioned in the media, in books, on websites etc.

He even wore fake medals so it’s not as if he didn’t know anything about all of the lies.

I wonder if he was just "identifying" as a medal reciepient ?

[KAgantua]

Bonefish Blues said:

I'm sensing the presence of a parrot

Er... think you might need to clean ones tropical bird specs chap, they look a little fogged

[98elise]

LimaDelta said:

98elise said:

egor110 said:

98elise said:

Agreed. The bloke isn't questioning his service or how many tours he did though. He seems to be questioning if he had been "in combat".

Define in combat.

If you were a chef at Kandahar was that in combat ?

If you were a medic/nurse from the navy pushed over to land operations was that in combat ?

Military intelligence , if you never left Kandahar were you in combat?

Difficult to say. You can be in a warzone and be...

1. Unlikely to come under fire
2. Likely to come under fire
3. Under fire

I would say...

1. No
2. Possibly
3. Yes

There were many civilians, journalists and government types who came 'under fire', from mortars, snipers, etc. Even Ross Kemp got shot at. I'm not convinced that counts as being 'in combat', more an observer than a participant. Being in combat is when you are returning fire, door kicking and fixing bayonets.

That means almost all of the RN personnel killed or injured in the Falklands were not actually in combat.

[Bonefish Blues]

KAgantua said:

Bonefish Blues said:

I'm sensing the presence of a parrot

Er... think you might need to clean ones tropical bird specs chap, they look a little fogged

Combative

[FiF]

CardinalBlue said:

Sorry for the thread derail…

Mercer has tweeted this recording in an effort to prove hid claim

https://x.com/johnnymerceruk/status/18041839981359...

However, he (Mercer) says “I was a Minister in the department, he never has”…. Has he shot himself in the foot here? Admitting he used his role as a Minister to look into his campaign opponents?

He's written a comment in the DT this morning, and it covers some specifics and more generally about Walts, so fully on topic, before anyone whines about no mention of weak lemon barley.

http://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1740/r...

Hope it resonates.

[LimaDelta]

98elise said:

LimaDelta said:

98elise said:

egor110 said:

98elise said:

Agreed. The bloke isn't questioning his service or how many tours he did though. He seems to be questioning if he had been "in combat".

Define in combat.

If you were a chef at Kandahar was that in combat ?

If you were a medic/nurse from the navy pushed over to land operations was that in combat ?

Military intelligence , if you never left Kandahar were you in combat?

Difficult to say. You can be in a warzone and be...

1. Unlikely to come under fire
2. Likely to come under fire
3. Under fire

I would say...

1. No
2. Possibly
3. Yes

There were many civilians, journalists and government types who came 'under fire', from mortars, snipers, etc. Even Ross Kemp got shot at. I'm not convinced that counts as being 'in combat', more an observer than a participant. Being in combat is when you are returning fire, door kicking and fixing bayonets.

That means almost all of the RN personnel killed or injured in the Falklands were not actually in combat.

I disagree, the RN were definitely engaged in combat, in a collective sense rather than an individual one. The ships were certainly returning fire.

[egor110]

98elise said:

LimaDelta said:

98elise said:

egor110 said:

98elise said:

Agreed. The bloke isn't questioning his service or how many tours he did though. He seems to be questioning if he had been "in combat".

Define in combat.

If you were a chef at Kandahar was that in combat ?

If you were a medic/nurse from the navy pushed over to land operations was that in combat ?

Military intelligence , if you never left Kandahar were you in combat?

Difficult to say. You can be in a warzone and be...

1. Unlikely to come under fire
2. Likely to come under fire
3. Under fire

I would say...

1. No
2. Possibly
3. Yes

There were many civilians, journalists and government types who came 'under fire', from mortars, snipers, etc. Even Ross Kemp got shot at. I'm not convinced that counts as being 'in combat', more an observer than a participant. Being in combat is when you are returning fire, door kicking and fixing bayonets.

That means almost all of the RN personnel killed or injured in the Falklands were not actually in combat.

Indeed , much like the navy medics who got attached to army regiments in Afghanistan i guess ?

[98elise]

LimaDelta said:

98elise said:

LimaDelta said:

98elise said:

egor110 said:

98elise said:

Agreed. The bloke isn't questioning his service or how many tours he did though. He seems to be questioning if he had been "in combat".

Define in combat.

If you were a chef at Kandahar was that in combat ?

If you were a medic/nurse from the navy pushed over to land operations was that in combat ?

Military intelligence , if you never left Kandahar were you in combat?

Difficult to say. You can be in a warzone and be...

1. Unlikely to come under fire
2. Likely to come under fire
3. Under fire

I would say...

1. No
2. Possibly
3. Yes

There were many civilians, journalists and government types who came 'under fire', from mortars, snipers, etc. Even Ross Kemp got shot at. I'm not convinced that counts as being 'in combat', more an observer than a participant. Being in combat is when you are returning fire, door kicking and fixing bayonets.

That means almost all of the RN personnel killed or injured in the Falklands were not actually in combat.

I disagree, the RN were definitely engaged in combat, in a collective sense rather than an individual one. The ships were certainly returning fire.

Agreed but a lot of the crew are not involved in the weapons/warfare part of operating a ship. They are being shot at, but are not involved in shooting back. They are in as much danger as those that are though.

As someone else has said what about a combat medic. They are in the line of fire but not fighting.

That's why my definition would be wider than just the people exchanging fire

[CountyAFC]

W@nker



Had K9 written in big letters on the windscreen too. God knows why?

[Stick Legs]

98elise said:

Agreed but a lot of the crew are not involved in the weapons/warfare part of operating a ship. They are being shot at, but are not involved in shooting back. They are in as much danger as those that are though.

As someone else has said what about a combat medic. They are in the line of fire but not fighting.

That's why my definition would be wider than just the people exchanging fire

The Military can’t even sort this one out so what hope have we?

Bomber Command air crew (who most definitely were in combat) received the Air Crew Europe Star in addition to the 1939-1945 Star.
Coastal Command air crew did not unless they had operational time over Europe despite attacking U-Boats in the North Atlantic in all weathers being not much better for one’s health than other branches of the RAF.

It is my belief that everyone who serves, in whatever capacity carries some of that with them.
No one has a monopoly on suffering, heroism or moral courage.
Medals are a poor judge of that.
We as a society rightly venerate those who have put themselves on the line for our collective good.
Those who choose to piggy back onto that are mentally challenged.
I feel pity, not anger. If someone has so little that they feel makes them interesting or important that they need to cloak themselves in another’s mantle, that person is in need of help.

The men I know who have seen war would gladly trade their medals and ‘valour’ for them & their colleagues never to have had to go.

[hidetheelephants]

LimaDelta said:

There were many civilians, journalists and government types who came 'under fire', from mortars, snipers, etc. Even Ross Kemp got shot at. I'm not convinced that counts as being 'in combat', more an observer than a participant. Being in combat is when you are returning fire, door kicking and fixing bayonets.

Observation or other intelligence gathering missions in a theatre of operations might involve no firefights at all, although there will be great risk of them if discovered; should special operations troops good/lucky enough to complete a tour without firing a shot while gathering a wealth of data be called walts who weren't in combat?

Edited by hidetheelephants on Sunday 23 June 18:17

[gruffgriff]

CountyAFC said:

W@nker



Had K9 written in big letters on the windscreen too. God knows why?

You'd be right pissed if you were designated K8 or K10 by your Dog Section commanders. #thankyouforyourservice

[LimaDelta]

hidetheelephants said:

LimaDelta said:

There were many civilians, journalists and government types who came 'under fire', from mortars, snipers, etc. Even Ross Kemp got shot at. I'm not convinced that counts as being 'in combat', more an observer than a participant. Being in combat is when you are returning fire, door kicking and fixing bayonets.

Observation or other intelligence gathering missions in a theatre of operations might involve no firefights at all, although there will be great risk of them if discovered; should special operations troops good/lucky enough to complete a tour without firing a shot while gathering a wealth of data be called walts who weren't in combat?

Where did I call anyone a walt?

There are certainly plenty of non-combat troops assigned to combat roles, doing difficult and dangerous jobs, nobody is disputing that from what I can see. The Royal Artillery is considered a support arm in the British Army, as blowing things up somewhere over there is not considered 'combat'. I spent several years in the Army, in a combat arm, yet would never claim to have 'been in combat'.

To paraphrase U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, I don't know how to define pornography combat, but you'll know it when you see it.

[hidetheelephants]

Mercer is though and this thread is about walts.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Some bizarre st spouted on here, literally thousand supporting the guys kicking doors in and according to PH they weren't in combat.

[papa3]

KAgantua said:

Incorrect. Theyre just a cook.

Apocryphally roared across a mess hall by the SM.

"Who called the Cook a ?"

Answered

"Who called the a cook?"

[Halmyre]

papa3 said:

KAgantua said:

Incorrect. Theyre just a cook.

Apocryphally roared across a mess hall by the SM.

"Who called the Cook a ?"

Answered

"Who called the a cook?"

The British Army's chef training course is the toughest in the armed services because no-one has ever passed it.

[vikingaero]

gruffgriff said:

CountyAFC said:

W@nker



Had K9 written in big letters on the windscreen too. God knows why?

You'd be right pissed if you were designated K8 or K10 by your Dog Section commanders. #thankyouforyourservice

I think the ante is currently being upped on DOG SECTION vehicles. Dog Section Commanders see others with fully battenburged vehicles and want the same and to go one further. eBay has never been busier with strobes, decals, vents etc etc.