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Ken_Code said:
I’ve come up behind people in these vests before when on my bike, and until I noticed what was going on would definitely hang back and not get in their way.
Having been subject to a furious shouting-at by an off-duty bike copper who I’d dared to overtake while on a ride I prefer not to have that happen again.
On one hand if it keeps other vehicles away form them or make them drive safer when around them, then the biker is safer, but as soon as the motorist realises they aren't actually police then they may change their attitude and the way they then drive, which could increase the risk to the biker.Having been subject to a furious shouting-at by an off-duty bike copper who I’d dared to overtake while on a ride I prefer not to have that happen again.
Edited by The Gauge on Thursday 30th May 20:26
The Gauge said:
On one hand if it keeps other vehicles away form them then the biker is safer, but as soon as the motorist realises they aren't actually police then they may change their approach and the way the drive around them, increasing the risk to the biker.
As with the cyclist vigilantes, although in an ideal world it wouldn’t have a negative effect, in this real one it could.I don’t really want people angering drivers with this sort of thing, some will react badly in terms of how they drive around motorbikes.
Ken_Code said:
Countdown said:
I genuinely don't understand the hatred for people who have "POLITE" written on their outfits. So what if they've got POLITE on the back of their hi-viz? What difference has it made to you?
It’s written to make people think they are police. That’s literally the only reason these outfits exist.Nothing wrong with a regular hi-viz vest but pretending to be police is just t
ttery.Red Devil said:
I never suggested that any circumnavigation should take place. You're missing the point, whether it be due to a misunderstanding or otherwise.
Adderley had been in post for several years prior to the s**t hitting the fan in 2023. Mold would be on more than nodding terms with him.
As PCC he must have confidence in whoever holds the post, yet it would seem he never at any time thought to himself 'hang on a minute, the maths don't add up!'
In which case I believe he would be duty bound to bring it to the attention of the Police and Crime Panel because it would put a huge question mark over the CC's integrity.
If the most senior officer is untrustworthy it tarnishes the entire organisation. Or maybe he did twig and, for whatever reason, chose to play blind, deaf, and dumb.
This debacle continues to keep on giving - https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/people/n...
Isn't Mold the one who was sleeping with a Polish Girl who he then promoted to Head of the Fire Service . Turned out she knew nothing about Fires nor the Fire Service and had to resign . In the face of all this Polish Ladies neighbours saying he frequently stayed overnight at her place he then said " yes but we are only good friends ".Adderley had been in post for several years prior to the s**t hitting the fan in 2023. Mold would be on more than nodding terms with him.
As PCC he must have confidence in whoever holds the post, yet it would seem he never at any time thought to himself 'hang on a minute, the maths don't add up!'
In which case I believe he would be duty bound to bring it to the attention of the Police and Crime Panel because it would put a huge question mark over the CC's integrity.
If the most senior officer is untrustworthy it tarnishes the entire organisation. Or maybe he did twig and, for whatever reason, chose to play blind, deaf, and dumb.
This debacle continues to keep on giving - https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/people/n...
CoolHands said:
I don’t know what the rules are but I doubt he will lose his pension. And on the face of it it would seem a bit harsh for playing dress up and wearing some pretend medals. Most of the reports of him being in the navy for 10 years etc seem to be puff pieces so he may not have outright lied on his job applications.
He did lie , he said he was in the navy for 10 years , rank commander he spent 4 years at the royal navy academy Was some liaison officer in Haiti
Actually
.........he was in in for 2 years as an able seaman , he was rejected entry at the academy , he's never visited Haiti
when questioned he said his 10- year service included his time as a 10 year old whilst in the sea cadets .
This was a chief of police ...not a traffic warden , how many times did he lie on the job ? a completely untrustworthy individual he should lose his pension full stop
Purosangue said:
CoolHands said:
I don’t know what the rules are but I doubt he will lose his pension. And on the face of it it would seem a bit harsh for playing dress up and wearing some pretend medals. Most of the reports of him being in the navy for 10 years etc seem to be puff pieces so he may not have outright lied on his job applications.
He did lie , he said he was in the navy for 10 years , rank commander he spent 4 years at the royal navy academy Was some liaison officer in Haiti
Actually
.........he was in in for 2 years as an able seaman , he was rejected entry at the academy , he's never visited Haiti
when questioned he said his 10- year service included his time as a 10 year old whilst in the sea cadets .
This was a chief of police ...not a traffic warden , how many times did he lie on the job ? a completely untrustworthy individual he should lose his pension full stop
Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
XDA said:
Oh how the mighty have fallen!
Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
Just Googled some of those reports, seems he was quite keen. Presumably his motor was a former or extra Trafpol car.Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
Is it normal for the Chief Con to have a car equipped with blues (and, presumably, be appropriately trained and certified to use it for tugging motorists), or was that just extra walting?
Purosangue said:
CoolHands said:
I don’t know what the rules are but I doubt he will lose his pension. And on the face of it it would seem a bit harsh for playing dress up and wearing some pretend medals. Most of the reports of him being in the navy for 10 years etc seem to be puff pieces so he may not have outright lied on his job applications.
He did lie , he said he was in the navy for 10 years , rank commander he spent 4 years at the royal navy academy Was some liaison officer in Haiti
Actually
.........he was in in for 2 years as an able seaman , he was rejected entry at the academy , he's never visited Haiti
when questioned he said his 10- year service included his time as a 10 year old whilst in the sea cadets .
This was a chief of police ...not a traffic warden , how many times did he lie on the job ? a completely untrustworthy individual he should lose his pension full stop
Officers don't join as Able Seaman (the Navy rank equivalent of Army Private) as they have their own rank structure. It is possible to switch from being a Rating to Officer but its unusual. Officers are mostly recruited as such.
From what I've seen reported he left because he wasn't suited to life in the Navy so its highly unlikely he would have been considered for Officer training.
Purosangue said:
CoolHands said:
I don’t know what the rules are but I doubt he will lose his pension. And on the face of it it would seem a bit harsh for playing dress up and wearing some pretend medals. Most of the reports of him being in the navy for 10 years etc seem to be puff pieces so he may not have outright lied on his job applications.
He did lie , he said he was in the navy for 10 years , rank commander he spent 4 years at the royal navy academy Was some liaison officer in Haiti
Actually
.........he was in in for 2 years as an able seaman , he was rejected entry at the academy , he's never visited Haiti
when questioned he said his 10- year service included his time as a 10 year old whilst in the sea cadets .
This was a chief of police ...not a traffic warden , how many times did he lie on the job ? a completely untrustworthy individual he should lose his pension full stop
Southerner said:
XDA said:
Oh how the mighty have fallen!
Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
Just Googled some of those reports, seems he was quite keen. Presumably his motor was a former or extra Trafpol car.Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
Is it normal for the Chief Con to have a car equipped with blues (and, presumably, be appropriately trained and certified to use it for tugging motorists), or was that just extra walting?
Southerner said:
XDA said:
Oh how the mighty have fallen!
Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
Just Googled some of those reports, seems he was quite keen. Presumably his motor was a former or extra Trafpol car.Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
Is it normal for the Chief Con to have a car equipped with blues (and, presumably, be appropriately trained and certified to use it for tugging motorists), or was that just extra walting?
Our ex CC had a Discovery with blues, but told me he'd never used them. He did however leave his airwave in the vehicle one evening which resulted in a smashed window and it getting nicked
Southerner said:
XDA said:
Oh how the mighty have fallen!
Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
Just Googled some of those reports, seems he was quite keen. Presumably his motor was a former or extra Trafpol car.Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
Is it normal for the Chief Con to have a car equipped with blues (and, presumably, be appropriately trained and certified to use it for tugging motorists), or was that just extra walting?
I’m not sure it’s the norm though as I’ve never really heard of other Chief Constables regularly pulling over motorists during their commute.
I’m not against chief constables doing that sort of thing. It’s just the irony of him pretending to be a “man of the people” while knowing he’d lied (more than once) about his military service.
Gareth79 said:
As mentioned he liked the image that he was just a down-to-earth guy who made it to the top.
Exactly that. He loved the publicity it got him on Twitter at the time. How he was an example of how Chief Constables should be etc. Its all fell apart for him now though. Hero to zero in a few months.
98elise said:
When you say he was rejected entry at the academy that implies he was considered for promotion to Officer.
Officers don't join as Able Seaman (the Navy rank equivalent of Army Private) as they have their own rank structure. It is possible to switch from being a Rating to Officer but its unusual. Officers are mostly recruited as such.
From what I've seen reported he left because he wasn't suited to life in the Navy so its highly unlikely he would have been considered for Officer training.
The Admiralty Interview Board is a graded result, you can pass the board but not be selected to go to Dartmouth for training. It is not unusual for candidates that met the required level but do not get a place in officer training to be offers a place as a rating. This was more common in Engineering. Officers don't join as Able Seaman (the Navy rank equivalent of Army Private) as they have their own rank structure. It is possible to switch from being a Rating to Officer but its unusual. Officers are mostly recruited as such.
From what I've seen reported he left because he wasn't suited to life in the Navy so its highly unlikely he would have been considered for Officer training.
The Royal Navy also ran a number of potential office courses at Dartmouth. I wonder if that was what he was including in his CV.
XDA said:
Oh how the mighty have fallen!
Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
He attracted much waltish admiration from Mr Minion who posted on Twitter that he wanted leave his trolley collecting duties at Morrisons Bideford in order to join Northants police and serve under “the big man- Chief Constable Adderley”Remember the times when Adderley was being lauded as the model Chief Constable by everyone - Outspoken on Twitter defending his officers and pulling over motorists in his unmarked BMW.
The walt was living a lie the whole time!
nismocat said:
XDA said:
I’m not sure it’s the norm though as I’ve never really heard of other Chief Constables regularly pulling over motorists during their commute.
It might be a regular thing, how would we know?Are you ex plod?
PCSO’s on the other hand……….
Starfighter said:
98elise said:
When you say he was rejected entry at the academy that implies he was considered for promotion to Officer.
Officers don't join as Able Seaman (the Navy rank equivalent of Army Private) as they have their own rank structure. It is possible to switch from being a Rating to Officer but its unusual. Officers are mostly recruited as such.
From what I've seen reported he left because he wasn't suited to life in the Navy so its highly unlikely he would have been considered for Officer training.
The Admiralty Interview Board is a graded result, you can pass the board but not be selected to go to Dartmouth for training. It is not unusual for candidates that met the required level but do not get a place in officer training to be offers a place as a rating. This was more common in Engineering. Officers don't join as Able Seaman (the Navy rank equivalent of Army Private) as they have their own rank structure. It is possible to switch from being a Rating to Officer but its unusual. Officers are mostly recruited as such.
From what I've seen reported he left because he wasn't suited to life in the Navy so its highly unlikely he would have been considered for Officer training.
The Royal Navy also ran a number of potential office courses at Dartmouth. I wonder if that was what he was including in his CV.
If he had decent O Levels then I would have expected him to be more than an AB Gunner. A few decent O Levels would qualify you for the Artificer course. Given he left after 2 years I can't see him being selected for potential officer.
Starfighter said:
I did 2 AIBs with O levels but I was doing A levels at 6th form at the time. Passed both but I wasn’t high enough up the list to get an Engineer Officer place at Dartmouth.
Just doing your A Levels would have probably been fine. I was selected for Artificer before I had my O Levels. The recruitment process allowed you to take Navy equivalent exams (+ the normal aptitude and intelligence tests).Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 4th June 07:24
reddiesel said:
Red Devil said:
I never suggested that any circumnavigation should take place. You're missing the point, whether it be due to a misunderstanding or otherwise.
Adderley had been in post for several years prior to the s**t hitting the fan in 2023. Mold would be on more than nodding terms with him.
As PCC he must have confidence in whoever holds the post, yet it would seem he never at any time thought to himself 'hang on a minute, the maths don't add up!'
In which case I believe he would be duty bound to bring it to the attention of the Police and Crime Panel because it would put a huge question mark over the CC's integrity.
If the most senior officer is untrustworthy it tarnishes the entire organisation. Or maybe he did twig and, for whatever reason, chose to play blind, deaf, and dumb.
This debacle continues to keep on giving - https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/people/n...
Isn't Mold the one who was sleeping with a Polish Girl who he then promoted to Head of the Fire Service . Turned out she knew nothing about Fires nor the Fire Service and had to resign . In the face of all this Polish Ladies neighbours saying he frequently stayed overnight at her place he then said " yes but we are only good friends ".Adderley had been in post for several years prior to the s**t hitting the fan in 2023. Mold would be on more than nodding terms with him.
As PCC he must have confidence in whoever holds the post, yet it would seem he never at any time thought to himself 'hang on a minute, the maths don't add up!'
In which case I believe he would be duty bound to bring it to the attention of the Police and Crime Panel because it would put a huge question mark over the CC's integrity.
If the most senior officer is untrustworthy it tarnishes the entire organisation. Or maybe he did twig and, for whatever reason, chose to play blind, deaf, and dumb.
This debacle continues to keep on giving - https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/people/n...
Nicci Marzec. The FBU wasn't impressed by her - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptons...Back in the day the CC had proper PH credentials. Who can remember John Gott?
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