Missing sister - help me find her car?

[SistersofPercy]

I had really hoped she would have turned up by now.

I’m of a similar age, and I know a lot of women (I’m female) struggle around this age with menopause doing odd things to the brain and making us act a bit out of character sometimes. I really hope she’s just needed to step back for a bit and is safe and well taking some time for herself and gets in touch soon.

I have thought of you several times this week. Look after yourself.

[Randy Winkman]

Yes - fingers crossed and best wishes.

[Greendubber]

So sorry Op,

I missed this thread, I really hope for a positive outcome. I've quite a lot of experience in locating missing people and it sounds like Police Scotland have got it covered from what you say but it you have any questions feel free to ask.

Fingers crossed, I know from personal experience what a worrying time it can be.

[skwdenyer]

Greendubber said:

So sorry Op,

I missed this thread, I really hope for a positive outcome. I've quite a lot of experience in locating missing people and it sounds like Police Scotland have got it covered from what you say but it you have any questions feel free to ask.

Fingers crossed, I know from personal experience what a worrying time it can be.

Thank you. I know you and I don’t always agree on here about policing matters, but as I’ve said elsewhere PS have been exemplary - and continue to be.

Sadly, however, no further news.

[Greendubber]

skwdenyer said:

Greendubber said:

So sorry Op,

I missed this thread, I really hope for a positive outcome. I've quite a lot of experience in locating missing people and it sounds like Police Scotland have got it covered from what you say but it you have any questions feel free to ask.

Fingers crossed, I know from personal experience what a worrying time it can be.

Thank you. I know you and I don’t always agree on here about policing matters, but as I’ve said elsewhere PS have been exemplary - and continue to be.

Sadly, however, no further news.

Meh, it's only the internet, missing family members trump all that nonsense.


Sounds like they're doing all they can, if you need a second opinion or any clarification on anything just ask and I'll see if I can help without stepping on their toes etc.

[t.boydy]

Just seen this, really hope she is found safe and well soon.

Tom

[PurpleTurtle]

Likewise I don't have anything tangible to add but really hoping for a positive outcome.

[skwdenyer]

Greendubber said:

Meh, it's only the internet, missing family members trump all that nonsense.


Sounds like they're doing all they can, if you need a second opinion or any clarification on anything just ask and I'll see if I can help without stepping on their toes etc.

Thank you.

[guards red]

Best wishes to you and your family.

Will be hoping for the best outcome possible.

[deadtom]

Has there been any progress?

I don't live anywhere nearby so I can't be of any real use, I am just one of what must be many on here watching from the sidelines quietly hoping for good news for you and your family.

[skwdenyer]

deadtom said:

Has there been any progress?

I don't live anywhere nearby so I can't be of any real use, I am just one of what must be many on here watching from the sidelines quietly hoping for good news for you and your family.

Thank you. Sadly not.

New press releases went out on Friday, and we've now got some national coverage (especially in syndicated local media, which is good). Also on the BBC website now:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-6620...
https://www.itv.com/news/border/2023-07-14/appeal-...
etc.

We've had some luck identifying her missing bag, in the hope somebody has seen it. For rucksack aficionados, we think it is a Deuter Step Out 12 in Mint/Petrol colourway. Maybe somebody found it and picked it up?

Everything is a long-shot at this point. We just need one more piece of date, one more sighting, to establish a direction of travel, a timeline, etc.

[deadtom]

skwdenyer said:

Thank you. Sadly not.

I'll be travelling through that part of the world in early August, so will keep eyes peeled, as they say.

Is there anything more meaningful that I could do while I'm nearby? I'd be happy to make sure our route goes via Loch Doon if there is anything that might be gained from doing so?

[droopsnoot]

This has just been mentioned on North West Tonight.

Goes without saying that I join everyone else in hoping for a good outcome for this.

[dukeboy749r]

OP, any updates?

I know you would most anything substantial but any glimmer of some insight as to your sisters thinking or motives?

I find it extremely saddening when someone ‘disappears’ without closure.

The lives left in a degree of limbo.

I hope she is safe and well and that you all might get some answers.

Best wishes

[Killer2005]

I was just stopping by to see if there has been any progress but sadly not. All the best OP

[turbobloke]

Killer2005 said:

I was just stopping by to see if there has been any progress but sadly not. All the best OP

I'll echo that.

[skwdenyer]

turbobloke said:

Killer2005 said:

I was just stopping by to see if there has been any progress but sadly not. All the best OP

I'll echo that.

Thank you all. Still no further forward. Active searching is continuing. We generated a good media push to mark the 28th day since she vanished.

My BIL went back up there this weekend, but weather is very poor, and apparently the bracken is now a full foot taller than it was a month ago - so any terrain searching is now even harder than it was (and of course we're not expecting to find her alive in the undergrowth, obviously).

The only glimmer of useful data came from a combination of a deeper dive into cell tower data and some new (to Police Scotland) equipment. Apparently her phone managed a handshake against a cell tower it shouldn't have been able to see. So the tech team have been out this week trying to figure out where on the ground that might have been possible.

Because we still just need one more piece of data to establish some sort of vector for the relevant period, from which hopefully we can build a platform for obtaining closure.

[gotoPzero]

That to me suggests the location at that time might have been on the top of a hill.

If it was a 2G management message (i.e location update etc) then that could easily happen over considerable distance, even though its spurious.

Due to the terrain around that area you could end up in a situation where you are in fringe coverage of what ever sites the mobile could see then you come over a hill and suddenly it can see a BTS 20km+ away and says - HELLO!

This might have only been for a moment, but I think that points towards being well elevated.

Back in the day when I was involved in RF design for mobile networks we could often see this sort of activity from our drive testing in rural areas.

You can also sometimes get this because of the beam pattern used can sometimes include some pretty serious side lobes which if you are in the right spot you might get coverage from an unexpected cell.

HTH.

[skwdenyer]

gotoPzero said:

That to me suggests the location at that time might have been on the top of a hill.

If it was a 2G management message (i.e location update etc) then that could easily happen over considerable distance, even though its spurious.

Due to the terrain around that area you could end up in a situation where you are in fringe coverage of what ever sites the mobile could see then you come over a hill and suddenly it can see a BTS 20km+ away and says - HELLO!

This might have only been for a moment, but I think that points towards being well elevated.

Back in the day when I was involved in RF design for mobile networks we could often see this sort of activity from our drive testing in rural areas.

You can also sometimes get this because of the beam pattern used can sometimes include some pretty serious side lobes which if you are in the right spot you might get coverage from an unexpected cell.

HTH.

Yes, my thoughts too. Given that her car was next to a large body of water, a cell ping from an elevated position would be a very important finding. We've only discovered this new information in the last few days, so I'm spending time today working on constructing a GIS model of terrain and cell towers to try to aid activities.

Does anyone have any useful experience to add there? I've got a hold of QGIS and the OS Terrain 50 dataset for a start, but I'm struggling to get reliable data out of Cellmapper - which seems a *very* strangely-designed tool.

[Caddyshack]

Sorry to read this thread.

I wonder if you might get help if you contacted someone in the Royal Signals, they probably have access to working this sort of stuff out for you?