"My Big Fat Alfa Euro-trip" planning for 2025

"My Big Fat Alfa Euro-trip" planning for 2025

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His Lordship

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2,346 posts

180 months

Sunday 29th December 2024
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Evening team!

There's been something on my list to do for a few years now and I'm hopefully in a position to be able to do it in 2025.

Basic outline: (TLDR) - Drive down from England through France to Italy, back up via the alps & Germany - 1-week to 10 days ish.

More detail:
I'm looking for advice on routes, places to visit and stay, and the best time of year to do it, including any events I can visit en-route.
Bought an Alfa 4C late this year and want to go in that, should be reliable and do decent MPG, I know it has very minimal baggage space but I wont have a passenger. I am a photographer so would like some photogenic locations too.

My basic plan is:
I live near Donington Park / East Midlands Airport, so head straight down to Dover, on a boat to Calais and then potentially head straight to Paris for night 1.
Then head down through France towards the south coast, Monaco would be nice to visit if possible but probably extortionate to stay in. I'd like ideas for the route through France, places to stay and visit, I like good food and wines but don't have an endless budget so not looking for Michelin-star eating.
From there then round the coast to Pisa / Florence, this will probably be as far south as I go.

Then back up and head for one of the lakes, maybe Como via Modena (The birth place of my 4C of course) and Milan?

Continuing North up in to Switzerland, I don't ski so not too fussed about that but the scenery and roads should be epic for driving and photos, Ideas?
Possibly a night in Zurich. The up into Germany, head for Stuttgart possibly.

I think then back into France and make my way back over to Calais.

Ideas and detours much welcomed!

Obvious logistical things: Fresh passport (only 7 months left on it currently), AA recovery, car Insurance, travel insurance, basic spares, euro-travel stuff like triangle, high-vis, alco-test thing etc etc






andy118run

919 posts

216 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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Will follow with interest as I fancy doing something similar for my family holiday this summer.

May need to consider a 'Crit Air' sticker for France, depending where venturing...no idea if other countries have similar or whether you can just get away with not bothering with this stuff.

Also a Swiss Vignette if using their motorways, though looks like you can get those when you're there. From what I read, for a one off trip it's not really worth bothering with a tag for the toll roads in France, though it makes progress a bit quicker.

Loads of really useful threads I've read on here where I pick up bits and pieces of info. I've used the Harwich/Hook ferry a few times and find it really handy for getting across to Germany and heading southwards that way rather than the channel/France route.

I was trying to make sense of the new ETIAS visa thing - am I right in saying you need one of these for European travel this summer? Google is confusing me.

rodericb

7,499 posts

136 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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It sounds like a rad trip!

omniflow

2,989 posts

161 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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When are you thinking of going? Roads through the Alps can be closed a lot later in the year than you'd think. We went in May 2023 and had planned to stay overnight at the top of Grossglockner (on 15th May) but we had to re-plan because the pass was completely closed to all traffic.

As per a previous response - consider other options apart from the tunnel. If nothing else, it makes route planning more interesting. Portsmouth -> St. Malo out and Hook of Holland -> Harwich back (both overnight) makes for a good circular route, and you can take in the Millau Viaduct.

I used to own a 4C Spider - we managed a 5 day road trip round Brittany - 2 of us and an acceptable amount of luggage. I would say though, it's not the most relaxing car to cover long distances in, so I wouldn't be planning any 8 hour driving days. Also, the fuel gauge on mine went from 1/4 tank -> light on -> completely empty within a total of about 25 miles.

I know the 4C was built at Maserati, but I'd definitely be planning a visit to the Alfa museum. Check the opening hours though. I can recommend the hotel Villa Marie in Tremezzo on Lake Como. It's not swanky, but it's very nice and friendly. Personally I much prefer Lake Como to Lake Garda, but if you do go to Lake Garda then I would recommend Salo as a place to stay - Hotel Locando Del Benaco - you should eat there too.


bennno

13,213 posts

279 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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We visited the Alfa Museum last summer was eye opening, well worth visiting, lake Garda is lovely, perhaps nicest of the lakes.

Alsace area is nice on route, riqwihr is lovely, this hotel makes a good stop off on route to Italy - not expensive, good parking, outdoor pool and walk to lots of local inexpensive restaurants in pretty town.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g196500...

Schlumpf collection is worth visiting on route, near to home of Bugatti, incredible museum.

Edited by bennno on Monday 30th December 09:41

omniflow

2,989 posts

161 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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His Lordship said:
Obvious logistical things: Fresh passport (only 7 months left on it currently), AA recovery, car Insurance, travel insurance, basic spares, euro-travel stuff like triangle, high-vis, alco-test thing etc etc
Not needed - check the AA website or similar for a list of things you actually NEED.

Juan B

441 posts

14 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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Done South of France last summer

1st night in Saint Omer (short drive south of calais) but coming from the Wirral a bit more North, so didn't want to drive far once got into France on the first night. Paris is obviously very busy, depends what you want to see but I kind of avoided it. Saint Omer is a nice little town with some bars/ restaurants.

We did three stops on the way down, three nights in and around Marseille and three on the way back up, but if you're just by yourself and don't mind driving for a bit longer you can probably do a night or two on the way down/ up. That said we did have some nice stops en route:

Two places I'd certainly stop again:
Blois & Chateux de Chambord (very cool to see the Chateux)
Nuits Saint Georges (Nice village south of Djon, great wines around and good restaurants)

I'm sure you'll have a great time, we did a couple of Airbnb's and Airbnb experiences (like wine tasting in Burgundy etc). I'm jelous and looking to do another longer Euro road trip but will have to wait until 2026 unfortunately.

AC43

12,214 posts

218 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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Back in the 80's I did two trips down to the South of France with mates in Alfas.

At the time Richard Binn's French Leave was a brilliant guide to both interesting places to eat/drink/stay buy also brilliant routes to and from them.

I've no idea if any of the restaurant stuff is still valid but it will give you some excellent routes up and down the hills behind the Cote D'Azur.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-French-Leave-Ric...

croyde

24,274 posts

240 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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Sounds good.

I've got almost all of Feb to take my Alpine from London to Tenerife.

France, Spain then 2 days on a boat to the Canaries, 2 weeks there, then over 8 days to get back, may go up through Portugal biggrin

His Lordship

Original Poster:

2,346 posts

180 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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Thank you for the responses to far - Great help, I'll have a better read when I get in from work.


Batfoy

874 posts

16 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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I've got a 2025 FOC Tour Trip itinerary if that's any help? Good for inspiration, etc.

Voodoo Blue

956 posts

155 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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If you want to really enjoy a road trip in Europe avoid Autoroutes, Autobahns and Autopistas. Driving cross country takes a bit longer but is much more fun in a decent car and you'll likely see more interesting sights.

Squadrone Rosso

3,035 posts

157 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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If you’re in the East Midland, check out the local AROC section. Best in the Country IMO & the chaps there will have loads of advice.

We’ve taken our S4 Spider, previously owned Berra, GT, & 156 Wagons over there loads of times.

Como is a lovely place to stay, especially around the Menagio area. Maranello & Modena are relatively close buy. Build your trip around these plus Turin / Milan for the museums.


Metric Max

1,497 posts

232 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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If you want to do all that in a week to 10 days I'd leave the camera at home, you'll spend all your time behind the wheel.
I like driving as much as anyone and do a similar trip every year but I wouldn't contemplate doing it in less than 16-17 days
I agree with the comment about autoroutes/ autobahns. Our holiday for 2025 is to Austria. I'll use the French autoroute between Calais and Strasbourg and back again but from there use ordinary roads to enjoy the scenery.
I would use the Eurotunnel to save time and not go to Paris which needs a good few days on it's own.

EJH

962 posts

219 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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I have done this a few times:

2019:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

2022:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

I also did it in 2023 (but haven't written that up yet). I did the Harwich - Hook of Holland ferry in 2023 and think I prefer the tunnel (ferry was very late and traffic jams all the way through the Netherlands and northern Germany).



Mr Magooagain

11,195 posts

180 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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Don’t know if you’ve seen this thread before. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

littleredrooster

5,797 posts

206 months

Monday 30th December 2024
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We've done variations of this a few times, most recently with a trip to the Dolomites this year, but here's some of our experiences/suggestions. Just to note that our choices tend to reflect good value for money in smaller places, not Michelin starred hotels!

2013: We had a trip to the Mille Miglia, down through France to Italy, back through France via a different route.

Portsmouth-Caen on the afternoon ferry, first night at the Ibis, Falaise, nicely hidden car park, used it >20 times now with both cars and bikes.

Falaise - Orcines (Clermont-Ferrand), stayed at Le Relais des Puys (one of our frequent stopovers, great place with a motorsport theme and good parking).

Orcines - Chamonix, lovely place in the summer season but the hotel has now changed its name and I don't know the new name. EDIT: Hotel Heliopic - brilliant place.

Chamonix - Hotel Lovere, Lago d'Iseo. Fantastic hotel on the edge of the lake, underground secure car park, great restaurant.

Lovere - (forgotten name), Manor house near Imola circuit where V. Rossi and Repsol MotoGP team used to stay every year. Quirky, eccentric beyond belief, but brilliant. We knew no Italiano, they knew no Inglese, communicated via hands and laughter. I'll do some research if you really need to know where it was.

Imola - Casole d'Elsa (apartment for a week) - lovely area, great food, Florence and Pisa within easy reach.

Casole d'Elsa - Hotel Lora, Bordighera.

Bordighera - can't remember, but via the full length of Route Napoleon (A85/N85, or anything that ends xx85) Grasse - Grenoble. NOTE!!! I cannot stress how much you need to include this road. I've done it many times on two and four wheels and it really must be one of the best bits of tarmac in Europe! It is utterly superb and goes on forever.

2024: N. Yorks - Dolomites. Down through Germany-Austria-Italy.

Portsmouth - Caen on the afternoon ferry, first night at Ibis, Ouistreham.

Ouistreham - B&B Hotel, Verdun. Poor hotel, wouldn't stay here again. Verdun, however is gorgeous.

Verdun - Gasthof Zum Schwanen, Memmingen, lovely market town, excellent hotel with secluded parking. A great find.

Memmingen - Cortina d'Ampezzo to an apartment which Booking-dot-com had double booked, leaving us with nowhere to stay. Lots of grief ensued...holiday had to be re-organised on the fly as everywhere was booked solid. Clutch master cylinder failed on the same day. Bugger.

Cortina d'Ampezzo - Hotel Eden, Lago Maggiore. Brilliant hotel. lovely area. We had a nice couple of days here.

Maggiore - Camping le Moulin, Patornay (chalet for a week). Another lovely area close to Clairvaux-les-Lacs.

Patornay - Reims, city centre apartment for the night. Fabulous city, must revisit sometime.

Reims - Dunkirk - Dover, 'cos Mrs. Rooster had never seen the white cliffs of Dover, despite almost 40 years of hopping back and forth to Europe.

Hope this helps with your plans, let me know if you want any more details.



Edited by littleredrooster on Tuesday 31st December 11:47

SapperD

27 posts

85 months

Friday 3rd January
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Did something similar Summer 2023. Clockwise though. I'm East Mids too. We took 2 weeks with a few double nighters along the way to break it up. It's knackering spending all day in a car just driving. If you're doing 10 hr stints it's nice to have non-driving day in between.

Our oute went via Germany, into Switzerland, down to the Italian lakes (both Garda and Como) then South to Monaco via Genoa (passing only) and the coastal road South West (staying near Paul St Vence). We came back up through France via stop overs in Annecy and Reims.

In Switzerland we stayed in Andermatt. That way I did the Andermatt loop (figure of 8) over 2 days. Gives you time to stop now and again at take it all in. I looked at Zurich as an overnight stop but decided against it. It's mega busy apparently and just another city. As I'm sure you know, wherever you stay in Switzerland everything is expensive. If you can and you're setting off from Como, I'd drive through it in one day and stay in Germany. Over the border. Konstanz maybe.

From Andermatt I headed East through Switzerland along some passes towards Stelvio and we stayed in Bormio. Great roads and even better scenery. Of the two Italian lakes thereafter, we prefered Como.

Bear in mind that Monaco back up to Calais is a long trek. Especially if you go off piste and take some of the better roads towards the alps. We took 3 days to do this. Reims would be better as a stop over in favour of Paris. If not a little further South than that.

seyre1972

2,890 posts

153 months

Friday 3rd January
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Appreciate it's a driving holiday you're looking at - but how about starting in Spain ? (Ferry to Bilbao/Santander) saves the long schlep down the length of France.

This is what I did last June last year

DAY 1: Sunday 4th

Ferry Port, Santander, C. Muelles de Maliaño, 21, 27, 39009 Santander, Cantabria, Spain
to Biarritz, 64200, France

https://goo.gl/maps/jdzsr3229BUQvV2Y9



Hotel Mercure Biarritz Centre Plaza Hotel
10 avenue Edouard VII
64200 BIARRITZ
FRANCE

(+33)5/59247400






DAY 2: Monday 5th

Biarritz, 64200, France
to Andorra la Vella, AD500, Andorra

https://goo.gl/maps/XYudNhjzAXymEmWn9

Updated route taken

https://goo.gl/maps/JBrQcH7JefjrFCcj8 includes N260A via Gavin




Hotel Novotel Andorra

Prat de la Creu s n
AD500 ANDORRA LA VELLA
ANDORRA
See on the map
Hotel email:
novotelandorra@prestigi.ad
Call the hotel (for any questions about your stay):
(+376)873603



DAY 3: Tuesday 6th

4 hr 35 min (376 km)

Andorra la Vella, AD500, Andorra
to Viaduc de Millau, 12400 Millau, France

https://goo.gl/maps/QpLhSVt5H8qFiiLr5



Hotel Ibis Millau
3 Star rating
Address
Rue du Sacré Coeur
12100 MILLAU
FRANCE
See on the map
Hotel email:
h5613@accor.com
Subscribe to hotels newsletters
Call the hotel (for any questions about your stay):
(+33)5/65592900






DAY 4: Wednesday 7th

6 hr 2 min (528 km)

Viaduc de Millau to Chamonix
via N88


https://goo.gl/maps/AegXGR6LDisAAooh9


Hotel Mercure Chamonix Centre Hotel
4 Star rating
Address

39, rue des Allobroges
74400 CHAMONIX MONT BLANC
FRANCE



DAY 5: Thursday 8th


5 hr 3 min (346 km)

Chamonix Centre-ville, 74400 Chamonix, France
to Mulhouse, France

https://goo.gl/maps/5Up5sU4GucfoN5wq9





Hôtel Mercure Mulhouse Centre Hotel
4 Star rating
Address
4 place du Général de Gaulle
68100 MULHOUSE
FRANCE
See on the map
Hotel email:
H1264@accor.com
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Call the hotel (for any questions about your stay):
(+33)3/89362939


THINGS TO DO

Mulhouse Auto Museum


DAY 6: Friday 9th

Mulhouse to Épernay


Champagne Capital


https://goo.gl/maps/Decvd1wBsqAfDyC7A




ibis Épernay Centre-Ville
3 Star rating
Address
19 rue Chocatelle Place Bernard Stasi
51200 EPERNAY
FRANCE
See on the map



DAY 7: Saturday 10th


Épernay to Saint Omer via Reims Racetrack.



https://goo.gl/maps/8X9mqkzsAVvXUh2B7




Place to visit


Menin Gate/Last Post
Etaples Cemetery

ibis Saint-Omer Centre
3 Star rating
Address
2-4 rue Henri Dupuis
62500 SAINT OMER
FRANCE
See on the map


SWISS PASS CHECKER WEBSITE

https://www.alpen-paesse.ch/en/






MILEAGE

158 Home/Portsmouth Ferry
348 Santander/Pamplona/Biarritz
524 Biarritz/pass/n260a/Andorra La Vella
386 Andorra / Millau Bridge
637 Millau Bridge to Chamonix
515 Chamonix/Mont Blanc Tunnel/Italy/Switzerland/Germany / Mulhouse
428 Mulhouse to Eparnay
321 Eparnay to Le Tunnel
99 Folkestone - home