Just been bitten - furious!
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Apologies in advance for the rant!
Just been to walk my girls (two labs and a lab pup) in our local woods and met the sort of dog owner that gives us all a bad name. All my dogs off the lead until I spot some people and their dog coming the other way. My dogs called to heel and the pup put on her lead as she still gets a bit excited around other people/dogs. Their red lab runs up to us (already slightly annoyed, but it might just want to play). Their dog then pins my pup with its teeth round her neck. Needless to say pup is distressed and rolls over in submission. I shout at the dog to leave her and push it away with my leg. Dog decides to bite my leg. I go aggressive on it and shout so it realises I'm not playing. It backs away from me but still tries to go for my pup. Much shouting at owners who are walking towards me to get their f
king dog on a lead.
Their excuse was that it's a Dogs Trust dog that they've obly had a week and they think it might have been bitten by a small dog in the past - keep it on a fking lead around other dogs then!
They then claim that they didn't put it on a lead because my other two weren't. Yes, but mine were under control and didn't attack another dog!
Wouldn't give me any details and just said that they need to give them a chance to train their dog. fk off! I'm training our pup but still don't let her bite other dogs or people!
Rang the Dogs Trust and they will contact owners to talk to them. They do a really great job, but it annoys me that these owners used it as an excuse for not controlling their dog.
Sorry about the rant - needed to check whether people think I'm out of order for overeacting and to get it off my chest. I'm ok as didn't break the skin and pup doesn't seem to be adversely affected.
As you were ...
Just been to walk my girls (two labs and a lab pup) in our local woods and met the sort of dog owner that gives us all a bad name. All my dogs off the lead until I spot some people and their dog coming the other way. My dogs called to heel and the pup put on her lead as she still gets a bit excited around other people/dogs. Their red lab runs up to us (already slightly annoyed, but it might just want to play). Their dog then pins my pup with its teeth round her neck. Needless to say pup is distressed and rolls over in submission. I shout at the dog to leave her and push it away with my leg. Dog decides to bite my leg. I go aggressive on it and shout so it realises I'm not playing. It backs away from me but still tries to go for my pup. Much shouting at owners who are walking towards me to get their f
king dog on a lead.Their excuse was that it's a Dogs Trust dog that they've obly had a week and they think it might have been bitten by a small dog in the past - keep it on a f
king lead around other dogs then!They then claim that they didn't put it on a lead because my other two weren't. Yes, but mine were under control and didn't attack another dog!
Wouldn't give me any details and just said that they need to give them a chance to train their dog. f
k off! I'm training our pup but still don't let her bite other dogs or people!Rang the Dogs Trust and they will contact owners to talk to them. They do a really great job, but it annoys me that these owners used it as an excuse for not controlling their dog.
Sorry about the rant - needed to check whether people think I'm out of order for overeacting and to get it off my chest. I'm ok as didn't break the skin and pup doesn't seem to be adversely affected.
As you were ...
Hard to punch someone when you are trying to control a pup who is being attacked, and another lab who is annoyed that 'her' pup (not actually hers, but part of her pack) and her master are being attacked. Plus she was a bit old.
Was very tempted though - I know that all of my girls would have come back to the whistle if I'd dropped the lead and left them to it. I also know Winnie would have put the other dog in it's place if I'd have let her - she is a very protective.
Was very tempted though - I know that all of my girls would have come back to the whistle if I'd dropped the lead and left them to it. I also know Winnie would have put the other dog in it's place if I'd have let her - she is a very protective.
I have a JR from dogs trust who wants to fight the world, when we go out he has a harness and face collar and is never let off the lead. We used to muzzle him but unfortunately some people think it is acceptable to let their dogs come over to a dog that is going flippin mental and the inevitable fight ensues.
Quite how these owners think it is somehow acceptable to have a dog that won't come when called off the lead I'll never know.
Quite how these owners think it is somehow acceptable to have a dog that won't come when called off the lead I'll never know.
I got bitten on the arm yest by a boxer the owner couldn't control. It bit my dog on the ear. My dog on lead as should've been in the area we were. Other dog not. Seemed friendly to start but then went ott, my Jimmy did a 'I don't like this bark' and dog launched at him. I had to pick Jimmy up and got bit in the process. Rather me than him it was a nasty puncture. Police informed. Owner didn't hang around he did apologise but did not defend what his dog did or say it'd never happened before so I expect it is temperamental.
Hope your pup was ok. Jimmy had a great time playing with a staffie today so he's ok
20yrs as a vet nurse and never been bitten like this by a dog before. It hurts. Irony, my dog gets antibiotics, I don't!
Hope your pup was ok. Jimmy had a great time playing with a staffie today so he's ok
20yrs as a vet nurse and never been bitten like this by a dog before. It hurts. Irony, my dog gets antibiotics, I don't!
Edited by bexVN on Thursday 28th April 21:06
Yes their dog should have been on a lead.
As YOU were bitten, they can be prosecuted under the DDA. Just got the dog is NOT an excuse. It's perfectly possible the dog is still insecure and therefore feels the need to defend itself. I have one of those. He is off lead a lot, but on lead when people/dogs I don't know are around. If he kicks off - then I have failed him. He is very damaged and the last thing I want is to give him further stress. I walk him only in quiet places so he can cope and I don't fry his brain.
As YOU were bitten, they can be prosecuted under the DDA. Just got the dog is NOT an excuse. It's perfectly possible the dog is still insecure and therefore feels the need to defend itself. I have one of those. He is off lead a lot, but on lead when people/dogs I don't know are around. If he kicks off - then I have failed him. He is very damaged and the last thing I want is to give him further stress. I walk him only in quiet places so he can cope and I don't fry his brain.
Absolutely, I don't really blame the dog, it's the owners I have issue with. They knew he had issues (they said he'd been bitten by a small dog) and so no excuse for not having him on a lead. They must have seen me call my girls back and put the pup on a lead so they had ample opportunity to do the same.
It really annoys me when the owners use the dog as an excuse. Just because it is a DT dog doesn't excuse bad behaviour, it just explains it.
They refused to give details so little point reporting it - and at the end of the day I wouldn't want to see a dog put down because it's owners were negligent. I just really hope that they learn from this (although I suspect they won't from their attitude) because next time it could be much worse.
It really annoys me when the owners use the dog as an excuse. Just because it is a DT dog doesn't excuse bad behaviour, it just explains it.
They refused to give details so little point reporting it - and at the end of the day I wouldn't want to see a dog put down because it's owners were negligent. I just really hope that they learn from this (although I suspect they won't from their attitude) because next time it could be much worse.
Bex, what do you mean your dog got antibiotics and you didn't? Unless the bite hasn't punctured the skin you should be on a course of antibiotics (Augmentin unless allergic to Penicillin). Dog bites are very difficult to clean and routinely treated with prophylatic antibiotics.
I take it you did get it looked at?
I take it you did get it looked at?
K77 CTR said:
Bex, what do you mean your dog got antibiotics and you didn't? Unless the bite hasn't punctured the skin you should be on a course of antibiotics (Augmentin unless allergic to Penicillin). Dog bites are very difficult to clean and routinely treated with prophylatic antibiotics.
I take it you did get it looked at?
I did indeed that same afternoon and I even told her that my dog had been px antibiotic (augmentin equivalent) and should I not have some. I was told that 'we are tough' I am to go back if the redness tracks, which it started doing tonight! It is a proper puncture and I told them this.(puncture wounds don't look much on the surface) stupid thing is if a client had asked for advice I'd tell then to insist on antibiotics, I don't know why I didn't!I take it you did get it looked at?
The Highway Man said:
I'm sorry but if another dog attacked me and my pup, i'd have ensured it never bit anything ever again. In all my years as a dog owner, my dogs have never bit anyone and have always been well behaved on and off the lead.
Lucky you for having well adjusted dogs. Some of us take in very damaged dogs to give them a 2nd chance at life and have to work very hard on behavioural modification. That does not, however, excuse irresponsible ownership. Training should be given and effective management in the meantime.Are you saying that should my dog get unexpectedly spooked by something, slip his lead, get scared, stressy and defensive then you would kill him? Should he be punished further for being tied up in a shed and beaten?
I completely agree with you OP. My response was to The Highway Man.
Dogs are made the way they are by humans. The owners were indeed irresponsible in the first place for it to have happened. However, sometimes 'stuff' happens and you're unlucky. Happened to me a couple of times but no harm done (I would muzzle the dog if he was dangerous). If that were the case, then the least they should have done would be to apologise and take responsibility for the incident.
Dogs are made the way they are by humans. The owners were indeed irresponsible in the first place for it to have happened. However, sometimes 'stuff' happens and you're unlucky. Happened to me a couple of times but no harm done (I would muzzle the dog if he was dangerous). If that were the case, then the least they should have done would be to apologise and take responsibility for the incident.
Mrs Grumpy said:
I completely agree with you OP. My response was to The Highway Man.
Dogs are made the way they are by humans. The owners were indeed irresponsible in the first place for it to have happened. However, sometimes 'stuff' happens and you're unlucky. Happened to me a couple of times but no harm done (I would muzzle the dog if he was dangerous). If that were the case, then the least they should have done would be to apologise and take responsibility for the incident.
I know exactly where you are coming from. All of my dogs apart from one came from rescue centres as I am a firm believer in dogs getting a good home. My making sure it never bit again, I meant it would be closely monitored and muzzled when on a lead until it was well associated with other dogs and was no longer a danger.Dogs are made the way they are by humans. The owners were indeed irresponsible in the first place for it to have happened. However, sometimes 'stuff' happens and you're unlucky. Happened to me a couple of times but no harm done (I would muzzle the dog if he was dangerous). If that were the case, then the least they should have done would be to apologise and take responsibility for the incident.
The Highway Man said:
I know exactly where you are coming from. All of my dogs apart from one came from rescue centres as I am a firm believer in dogs getting a good home. My making sure it never bit again, I meant it would be closely monitored and muzzled when on a lead until it was well associated with other dogs and was no longer a danger.
My apologies. I misunderstood what you said. So pleased you take on rescue dogs What complete idiots, and it's not just them, they're everywhere.
Our Dobermann just doesn't like other dogs near him, great with people, but dogs are a big no. As a result, if we see another dog, he gets called back (which he always obeys) and put on the lead. Without fail the other dog(s) will run up and try to play, completely ignoring any calls from the owners.
It's even more infuriating when they try to blame your dog, the one on the lead.
Our Dobermann just doesn't like other dogs near him, great with people, but dogs are a big no. As a result, if we see another dog, he gets called back (which he always obeys) and put on the lead. Without fail the other dog(s) will run up and try to play, completely ignoring any calls from the owners.
It's even more infuriating when they try to blame your dog, the one on the lead.
I can't see a 'dangerously out of control' prosecution going anywhere (not that it sounds necessary anyway) in this case - rightly or wrongly the dog attacked another dog (unless I'm mistaken dog on dog doesn't amount to an offence) and when attacked by the OP the dog has acted in self defence. The dog hasn't just gone attacking people randomly. (Just to be clear, I'm not criticising the OP for his actions or suggesting he should have done differently.) I've dealt with a few dog bite cases and in all of those the dog was acting as a dog would be expected to - either defending itself or defending it's owner, despite innocent actions on the part of the people bitten.
It sounds like the issue is that the dogs owners don't know what they're doing. They weren't acting malicious and hopefully they'll learn from this experience.
It sounds like the issue is that the dogs owners don't know what they're doing. They weren't acting malicious and hopefully they'll learn from this experience.
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