Bernards breath will knock you off your feet!

Bernards breath will knock you off your feet!

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bernhund

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3,776 posts

200 months

Saturday 5th March 2011
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My Bully, Bernard, has such bad breath it makes me angry. The vet tells me the only way to deal with it is 'knock him out'. But he doesn't believe the risk is worth it and accept that dogs have bad breath, hence the saying 'oi, dog breath!'
However, I need to do something. The problem is that English Bull Terriers will try to swallow things that are too big for their throats and I'm worried about the teeth cleaning chews etc. He will chew it once then try to neck it.
Any safe suggestions?
In the meantime, does he need a haircut too?


SC7

1,882 posts

188 months

Saturday 5th March 2011
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I'm afraid I can't help, but I did hehe at the pic.

Toyless

24,154 posts

228 months

Saturday 5th March 2011
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Lovely dog.

Whats his diet ?

What state are his teeth in ?

RedtheFraggle

2 posts

168 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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We used this on our Collie, she lived to 16 & never needed any dental work but that could have been her love of rawhide chews
http://www.vetuk.co.uk/dental-care-products-c-11/l...


Jasandjules

70,502 posts

236 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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1. Raw chicken wings. These will help clean off the tartar
2. Brush his teeth. We have a £20 electric toothbrush to use on the dogs - each has their own head of course!


bexVN

14,682 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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Nylabones, tough as anything, last for ages and good for scraping the teeth, not sure why your vet is so reluctant to do a general anaesthetic on him though.

bernhund

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3,776 posts

200 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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Thanks for the input guys. I'd be worried about the chicken wings, he'd crunch it once and then swallow it.
I think anything that is supposed to be chewed but isn't food would be ignored too.
I like the idea of the gel. Will he just lick it off straight away though? His own electric toothbrush is a good idea too.
I think I might have to pursue the gel and onto brushing, see if I can improve his smile a bit.
R.E the vets approach, I suppose he just doesn't think the risk is worth it because dogs breath is a fact of life for a dog and that's that.
By the way, he is on dry food and anything that's scraped off a dinner plate. (Bernard, not the vet!)

bexVN

14,682 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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Well it does depend on the state of the teeth and gums. 80% of cats and dogs have some degree of dental disease by the time they are 3. So yes dogs can have bad breath but if it due to bad gums (and when older bad teeth) then a dental is worth the risk.

I assume your vet is actually happy with how his gums and teeth look in which case he would be right, so time to start brushing Bernards not so pearly whites smile

akita1

490 posts

207 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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Try putting some parsley in his food i think this might help.

Tango13

8,921 posts

183 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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No idea about the teeth but are you from Liverpool and have you thought about buying him a shell suit?

Thevet

1,805 posts

240 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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Don't jump at anaesthetic and scale (unless his teeth are 'orrid) ask your vet about antibiotics against the bacteria that cause "death breath". If your dog needs an anaesthetic and dental work, then he is very likely to benefit much more than you'd expect in general health. Put some pics of his teeth and gums on here for a more informed reply HTH

bernhund

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3,776 posts

200 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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I'm liking the Liverpool quote. I was gonna make a similar joke but didn't think anyone would understand!

Ok, here's one for The Vet(thank you in anticipation).Bernard is 10 years old by the way.

Put a peg on your nose, because you can smell him from the pictures!hurl




bexVN

14,682 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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I am sure the Vet will agree with me and say the incisor in the second pic needs more than just a toothbrush, the tartar is eroding into the gum quite badly.

Antibiotics would be a good start I'm sure but in my experience that tooth needs a proper scaling which he is unlikely to tolerate without an anesthetic. I'll be really interested to know what TheVet thinks though.

bernhund

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3,776 posts

200 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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bexVN said:
I am sure the Vet will agree with me and say the incisor in the second pic needs more than just a toothbrush, the tartar is eroding into the gum quite badly.

Antibiotics would be a good start I'm sure but in my experience that tooth needs a proper scaling which he is unlikely to tolerate without an anesthetic. I'll be really interested to know what TheVet thinks though.
Yes, I spotted that one too. It looks really bad. I must state that when I mentioned it to my vet, it would have been early last year, so it's likely there has been quite a lot of degeneration since.

Out of interest, does this kind of work get covered by Petplan?

bexVN

14,682 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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bernhund said:
bexVN said:
I am sure the Vet will agree with me and say the incisor in the second pic needs more than just a toothbrush, the tartar is eroding into the gum quite badly.

Antibiotics would be a good start I'm sure but in my experience that tooth needs a proper scaling which he is unlikely to tolerate without an anesthetic. I'll be really interested to know what TheVet thinks though.
Yes, I spotted that one too. It looks really bad. I must state that when I mentioned it to my vet, it would have been early last year, so it's likely there has been quite a lot of degeneration since.

Out of interest, does this kind of work get covered by Petplan?
Truth is I don't know for sure (dental cover can be a bit of a minefield to me!!), I think they will only cover if it can be shown dental care has been carried out from the start, they will cover for damaged teeth due to injury and if removal advised by your vet. The best thing would be to check your small print in the policy and don't phone them until you've spoken to your vet.

ETA
The following is from the pet plan on line site, this dental check can be done at the time of a booster I'm sure but your vet may need to show this in their notes.

Why does my pet have to have an annual dental check?
Whether you have a cat insurance, dog insurance or rabbit insurance policy, you must take reasonable steps to maintain your pet's health throughout the policy year and to prevent injury, illness and loss. Therefore you must arrange and pay for your pet to have an annual dental examination by a vet in order to prevent illness or injury. By continuing with these check-ups this shows us that you have played your part in caring for your dog, cat or rabbit, so we can play ours.

Edited by bexVN on Sunday 6th March 19:45

Jasandjules

70,502 posts

236 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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IME a dental will not be covered - it's damage to teeth which is ....

That tartar does look quite built up - but I'd rather try and brush his teeth for a couple of weeks and see how that goes before putting him under a GA....


bernhund

Original Poster:

3,776 posts

200 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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bexVN said:
bernhund said:
bexVN said:
I am sure the Vet will agree with me and say the incisor in the second pic needs more than just a toothbrush, the tartar is eroding into the gum quite badly.

Antibiotics would be a good start I'm sure but in my experience that tooth needs a proper scaling which he is unlikely to tolerate without an anesthetic. I'll be really interested to know what TheVet thinks though.
Yes, I spotted that one too. It looks really bad. I must state that when I mentioned it to my vet, it would have been early last year, so it's likely there has been quite a lot of degeneration since.

Out of interest, does this kind of work get covered by Petplan?
Truth is I don't know for sure (dental cover can be a bit of a minefield to me!!), I think they will only cover if it can be shown dental care has been carried out from the start, they will cover for damaged teeth due to injury and if removal advised by your vet. The best thing would be to check your small print in the policy and don't phone them until you've spoken to your vet.

ETA
The following is from the pet plan on line site, this dental check can be done at the time of a booster I'm sure but your vet may need to show this in their notes.

Why does my pet have to have an annual dental check?
Whether you have a cat insurance, dog insurance or rabbit insurance policy, you must take reasonable steps to maintain your pet's health throughout the policy year and to prevent injury, illness and loss. Therefore you must arrange and pay for your pet to have an annual dental examination by a vet in order to prevent illness or injury. By continuing with these check-ups this shows us that you have played your part in caring for your dog, cat or rabbit, so we can play ours.

Edited by bexVN on Sunday 6th March 19:45
I shouldn't have even asked the question about the insurance cover when I think about it. The reason: I was in a serious crash at LeMans in 2006, my hip smashed, left arm compound fracture, 3 ribs broke, nose broke, jaw in 3 pieces, cracked cheek bones, pin through left knee, punctured lungs, 3 stomach injuries, tracheostomy, 9 day coma, 2 months in traction, 12 pints of blood overall and a lot of missing teeth. All of which were repaired by the State except........... teeth. NHS say teeth are cosmetic and I had to find the 6.5k to put them right myself!! Why would the insurer cover Bernards?laugh