Alternative to Tripe?!
Discussion
Boris seems to have gone off his tripe, and usually he will wolf it down!!!
He will eat the biscuits if they are on there own, but not all of them, and seeing as he is still a puppy im a bit concerned about him losing weight. He seemed to be full of the joys of spring this morning so he doesnt seem under the weather, but i still want to give him a meat 'thing' with his biscuits.
Does anyone use anything else with their puppies?!
He will eat the biscuits if they are on there own, but not all of them, and seeing as he is still a puppy im a bit concerned about him losing weight. He seemed to be full of the joys of spring this morning so he doesnt seem under the weather, but i still want to give him a meat 'thing' with his biscuits.
Does anyone use anything else with their puppies?!
He doesn't need tripe (cows udders!), disgusting smelly stuff and of no nutritional value. (As you can tell I don't like it 
)
A good quality all in one biscuit should provide all he needs if he eats the right amount. get him weighed regularly at your vet for reassurance, sometimes he'll look slimmer but actually weigh more due to a growth spurt.
If he is lively, energetic, passing normal poo's etc he's doing fine.
there are other choices e.g. raw food diet Mrs Grumpy knows about this more but I would not worry about this right. now
)A good quality all in one biscuit should provide all he needs if he eats the right amount. get him weighed regularly at your vet for reassurance, sometimes he'll look slimmer but actually weigh more due to a growth spurt.
If he is lively, energetic, passing normal poo's etc he's doing fine.
there are other choices e.g. raw food diet Mrs Grumpy knows about this more but I would not worry about this right. now
Thanks for your reply Bex.
Ah... i actually thought Tripe was supposed to be good for him!! DOH!
He is on Beta Puppy dry food, and he has the odd raw chicken wing as a treat which he devours!
He did have a couple of runny poos yesterday, so have given him a bit of plain boiled rice with some plain chicken today mixed in with his biscuits which has eaten about 50% of.
He had his first 'outing' on Sunday so i am thinking he may well have picked something up off the floor that has given him an upset tummy, but i said to my other half today, if his poos havent solidified by tomorrow morning then i think a trip to the vet will be needed just to be on the safe side.
Ah... i actually thought Tripe was supposed to be good for him!! DOH!
He is on Beta Puppy dry food, and he has the odd raw chicken wing as a treat which he devours!
He did have a couple of runny poos yesterday, so have given him a bit of plain boiled rice with some plain chicken today mixed in with his biscuits which has eaten about 50% of.
He had his first 'outing' on Sunday so i am thinking he may well have picked something up off the floor that has given him an upset tummy, but i said to my other half today, if his poos havent solidified by tomorrow morning then i think a trip to the vet will be needed just to be on the safe side.
Agree with Bex in that a good quality dry food should be OK for Boris
Most dogs will be fine on it. Some dogs have allergy/intolerance issues and others have behavioural issues that can be connected to what they are fed.
BTW - there is a nasty gastro thing doing the rounds at the moment. Sickness and dire-rear lasting about three days. Wonder if he's picked something like that up?
Bex have you seen more incidents of this? We've had several with some pretty nasty HGE lately
Most dogs will be fine on it. Some dogs have allergy/intolerance issues and others have behavioural issues that can be connected to what they are fed.
BTW - there is a nasty gastro thing doing the rounds at the moment. Sickness and dire-rear lasting about three days. Wonder if he's picked something like that up?
Bex have you seen more incidents of this? We've had several with some pretty nasty HGE lately
Edited by Mrs Grumpy on Tuesday 18th January 14:46
Thanks Mrs G.
He was wretching a little this morning, but nothing actually came up, so he may well have picked something up from being out and about on Sunday, i guess being only 12 weeks old his immune system is still pretty sensative even though hes had all of his jabs.
My OH has informed me he has eaten all of his lunch, with a bit of rice and had a chicken wing today, so hopefully that will help bind him back up!
Thank you for all your advice, i may well just stick to the dry food?!
He was wretching a little this morning, but nothing actually came up, so he may well have picked something up from being out and about on Sunday, i guess being only 12 weeks old his immune system is still pretty sensative even though hes had all of his jabs.
My OH has informed me he has eaten all of his lunch, with a bit of rice and had a chicken wing today, so hopefully that will help bind him back up!
Thank you for all your advice, i may well just stick to the dry food?!
Moo27 said:
i may well just stick to the dry food?!
All the pups I have ever bred/bought (30-40) have always been fed dry food ad lib and nothing else.Never a problem unless they pick up something tasty or the diet is changed too quickly. It soon passes,literally. Feeding chicken/rice won't do it any favours if it is not used to it.
I also have seen hundreds of dogs that are exclusively fed on tripe, albeit "home grown" and they thrive on it.
Mrs Grumpy said:
Agree with Bex in that a good quality dry food should be OK for Boris
Most dogs will be fine on it. Some dogs have allergy/intolerance issues and others have behavioural issues that can be connected to what they are fed.
BTW - there is a nasty gastro thing doing the rounds at the moment. Sickness and dire-rear lasting about three days. Wonder if he's picked something like that up?
Bex have you seen more incidents of this? We've had several with some pretty nasty HGE lately
Only just returned to work but asked my boss and she said they had seen quite a few, not all really serious but some unpleasant ones. Not sure these things do come along in waves sometimes.Most dogs will be fine on it. Some dogs have allergy/intolerance issues and others have behavioural issues that can be connected to what they are fed.
BTW - there is a nasty gastro thing doing the rounds at the moment. Sickness and dire-rear lasting about three days. Wonder if he's picked something like that up?
Bex have you seen more incidents of this? We've had several with some pretty nasty HGE lately
Edited by Mrs Grumpy on Tuesday 18th January 14:46
^^ Good point I completely missed that first time round! Dogs are very susceptible to salmonella just like us (cats far more resistant to it) so no do not give raw chicken, cooked chicken bones tend to be the ones that splinter more than raw but I would still avoid this aswell.
If you need to give a bland diet get a prescription one (mosty of them are very palatable but have all the nutrients a recovering dog needs), off the vet much less likely to end up with a fussy puppy.
If you need to give a bland diet get a prescription one (mosty of them are very palatable but have all the nutrients a recovering dog needs), off the vet much less likely to end up with a fussy puppy
.Umm I am afraid I am going to completely disagree with you on the raw chicken wing thing.
All my dogs get one a day. Quite well known for helping with the blocked anal gland issue and good for teeth too. As far as feeding bones go - raw ones are OK as they don't splinter, with the possible exception of weight bearings bones.
I was also under the impression that dogs did not suffer from salmonella unlike humans. It's because they digest food much quicker and so any bacteria does not have time to settle. They can harbour and shed salmonella, but don't generally suffer from it. Of course there is the exception to this with dogs that are otherwise compromised in some way.
All my dogs get one a day. Quite well known for helping with the blocked anal gland issue and good for teeth too. As far as feeding bones go - raw ones are OK as they don't splinter, with the possible exception of weight bearings bones.
I was also under the impression that dogs did not suffer from salmonella unlike humans. It's because they digest food much quicker and so any bacteria does not have time to settle. They can harbour and shed salmonella, but don't generally suffer from it. Of course there is the exception to this with dogs that are otherwise compromised in some way.
Harbouring and shedding causes health risk to humans and we do treat animals with salmonella who can get quite poorly (even cats though they seem to tolerate it quite well)
http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/digestive/c_dg...
So I will stick with my suggestion of avoiding raw chicken, esp to this pup as he is more prone to the illness being a pup and because he is suffering a gastrointestinal upset.
http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/digestive/c_dg...
So I will stick with my suggestion of avoiding raw chicken, esp to this pup as he is more prone to the illness being a pup and because he is suffering a gastrointestinal upset.
Edited by bexVN on Wednesday 19th January 11:59
I appreciate all of your replies thankyou.
I have been giving him the Tripe as this is what his breeder has recommended to me and what he was on when i collected him, and she has fed all of her Bullies Tripe, and after meeting them all they are very fit healthy specimens of the breed. I didnt want to muck about with his diet by just putting him on dry food continuously. Plus, it would be like us simply eating dry cornflakes day in day out which wouldnt be very appetising would it.
As for the chicken wings, again, been recommended to me by several bulldog owners for the bonemeal and digestion assistance it gives. I would never dream of giving a dog cooked chicken bones. But apparently Dogs do not suffer with the likes of Salmonella like humans do, as their digestive process is far quicker than ours, which means bacteria simply does not have the time to be created. Whereas in humans it does.
After reading several forums, there seems to be a general consensus that 'Pets at Home' Tripe has given quite a few dogs an upset tummy! Which is the one i have been getting him. So today im off to find another supplier to try him on that instead.
I came down to a sea of runny poo in the kitchen this morning which wasnt very pleasant at 5am i can tell you!
I have been giving him the Tripe as this is what his breeder has recommended to me and what he was on when i collected him, and she has fed all of her Bullies Tripe, and after meeting them all they are very fit healthy specimens of the breed. I didnt want to muck about with his diet by just putting him on dry food continuously. Plus, it would be like us simply eating dry cornflakes day in day out which wouldnt be very appetising would it.
As for the chicken wings, again, been recommended to me by several bulldog owners for the bonemeal and digestion assistance it gives. I would never dream of giving a dog cooked chicken bones. But apparently Dogs do not suffer with the likes of Salmonella like humans do, as their digestive process is far quicker than ours, which means bacteria simply does not have the time to be created. Whereas in humans it does.
After reading several forums, there seems to be a general consensus that 'Pets at Home' Tripe has given quite a few dogs an upset tummy! Which is the one i have been getting him. So today im off to find another supplier to try him on that instead.
I came down to a sea of runny poo in the kitchen this morning which wasnt very pleasant at 5am i can tell you!
Edited by Moo27 on Wednesday 19th January 12:51
bexVN said:
Harbouring and shedding causes health risk to humans and we do treat animals with salmonella who can get quite poorly (even cats though they seem to tolerate it quite well)
http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/digestive/c_dg...
So I will stick with my suggestion of avoiding raw chicken, esp to this pup as he is more prone to the illness being a pup and because he is suffering a gastrointestinal upset.
I've been trying to find some reasonable scientific analysis of raw diets and bones, salmonella, etc. It seems there are very few and the sample sizes of those carried out are very small to be of any use.http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/digestive/c_dg...
So I will stick with my suggestion of avoiding raw chicken, esp to this pup as he is more prone to the illness being a pup and because he is suffering a gastrointestinal upset.
Anyways - I totally agree that harbouring and shedding can pass it along to humans. It seems that raw chicken is not the only harbourer (is that a word?) of salmonella though.
I also agree that pups and dogs that are not 100% well are more likely to suffer from salmonella infected food than otherwise mature and well dogs.
Having weighed up all the pros and cons as much as I can, I will continue to feed raw and chicken wings
(to Odd Boy anyway).But dogs DO get salmonella (see above link)
It is not like us eating cornflakes all day every day
Dogs eat for survival and to maintain their energy levels, they do not eat for taste and variation, we introduce this to them.
My dog has been on Pro Plan dry food twice a day for seven years (same flavour) and has never gone off it, except on the rare occasions of illness. He'll eat everything else if he could but he still eats his dry biscuit as though it's the first time he's ever had it every day.
In fact chopping and changing a dogs diet is the worst thing you can do (esp for those with sensitive digestion) as dogs fair better with consistency for their digestive tract.
Stop the tripe, stop the raw chicken and get some px bland food (and maybe some pro kolin from your vet) until his diarrhoea is better, it is not normal for him to have a squitty bum.
Puppies are also very prone to camplyobacter (we see loads of this) if it is not clearing up your vet may suggest a three day pooled faecal sample to test for both salmonella and camplyobacter.
I know I sound like I'm going on at you but I really don't mean to, we see many many pups with diarrhoea and poor diet/ changed diet, campy are often to blame, (with the occ salmonella just for good measure!)
Btw you were absolutely right to carry on with the food the breeder started the pups on but you can wean them over to new diets once they've settled in.
Mrs Grumpy, I think that's fair enough, I think if a dog appears to be doing well on a diet no matter what it is (within reason of cousre) it should be continued but when it's not a change is needed.
Apparently it is now being advised that cats should be fed raw chicken wings to provide dental care though not sure if we are ready to advise clients yet, there'll be another study next week saying it'll be bad for some reason!!
It is not like us eating cornflakes all day every day
Dogs eat for survival and to maintain their energy levels, they do not eat for taste and variation, we introduce this to them.
My dog has been on Pro Plan dry food twice a day for seven years (same flavour) and has never gone off it, except on the rare occasions of illness. He'll eat everything else if he could but he still eats his dry biscuit as though it's the first time he's ever had it every day.
In fact chopping and changing a dogs diet is the worst thing you can do (esp for those with sensitive digestion) as dogs fair better with consistency for their digestive tract.
Stop the tripe, stop the raw chicken and get some px bland food (and maybe some pro kolin from your vet) until his diarrhoea is better, it is not normal for him to have a squitty bum.
Puppies are also very prone to camplyobacter (we see loads of this) if it is not clearing up your vet may suggest a three day pooled faecal sample to test for both salmonella and camplyobacter.
I know I sound like I'm going on at you but I really don't mean to, we see many many pups with diarrhoea and poor diet/ changed diet, campy are often to blame, (with the occ salmonella just for good measure!)
Btw you were absolutely right to carry on with the food the breeder started the pups on but you can wean them over to new diets once they've settled in.
Mrs Grumpy, I think that's fair enough, I think if a dog appears to be doing well on a diet no matter what it is (within reason of cousre
) it should be continued but when it's not a change is needed.Apparently it is now being advised that cats should be fed raw chicken wings to provide dental care though not sure if we are ready to advise clients yet, there'll be another study next week saying it'll be bad for some reason!!
Edited by bexVN on Wednesday 19th January 13:16
Bex i dont think youre going on at me at all chick, i genuinely appreciate you only have a Pooches best interests at heart!
Boris has eaten about 50% of his dry biscuits today, with absolutely nothing else. And he hasnt pooed since this morning, so i guess no poo at the minute is better than runny poo!! Hopefully its a sign that his tummy is getting better.
Ive booked a couple of hours of work tomorrow afternoon to take him to the vets though just in case it isnt better.
Boris has eaten about 50% of his dry biscuits today, with absolutely nothing else. And he hasnt pooed since this morning, so i guess no poo at the minute is better than runny poo!! Hopefully its a sign that his tummy is getting better.
Ive booked a couple of hours of work tomorrow afternoon to take him to the vets though just in case it isnt better.
bexVN said:
It is not like us eating cornflakes all day every day
Dogs eat for survival and to maintain their energy levels, they do not eat for taste and variation, we introduce this to them.
My dog has been on Pro Plan dry food twice a day for seven years (same flavour) and has never gone off it, except on the rare occasions of illness. He'll eat everything else if he could but he still eats his dry biscuit as though it's the first time he's ever had it every day.
In fact chopping and changing a dogs diet is the worst thing you can do (esp for those with sensitive digestion) as dogs fair better with consistency for their digestive tract.
Nail on head.Dogs eat for survival and to maintain their energy levels, they do not eat for taste and variation, we introduce this to them.
My dog has been on Pro Plan dry food twice a day for seven years (same flavour) and has never gone off it, except on the rare occasions of illness. He'll eat everything else if he could but he still eats his dry biscuit as though it's the first time he's ever had it every day.
In fact chopping and changing a dogs diet is the worst thing you can do (esp for those with sensitive digestion) as dogs fair better with consistency for their digestive tract.
, fingers crossed it continues. Missing a meal is a good idea in some cases 
. Adults can go 24hrs, pups need to be much more careful but one meal shouldn't hurt, esp if he is well in himself.Bex, he is still absolutely full of beans!! Literally from the minute he gets home with my o/h at 7, until i go to bed at 10.30ish he is on the go, continuously wants to play tug, or chase his ball or will sit there making random noises with his various squeakies!!
But definitely pleased he's on the mend, and thanks again for every ones input!
But definitely pleased he's on the mend, and thanks again for every ones input!
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