Another light aeroplane crash, on a train track

[Ron Burgundy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7...

Two dead
Saddening stuff

[Scuffers]

very sad...

[mybrainhurts]

Can't imagine how that happened, unless he was asleep or the engine failed...

[Eric Mc]

mybrainhurts said:

Can't imagine how that happened, unless he was asleep or the engine failed...

No point in idle speculation at this stage. Plane's crash for a myriad of reasons over and above the two you've mentioned.

[mybrainhurts]

Eric Mc said:

mybrainhurts said:

Can't imagine how that happened, unless he was asleep or the engine failed...

No point in idle speculation at this stage. Plane's crash for a myriad of reasons over and above the two you've mentioned.

Yes, I know that. Just puzzled as to how one flies a microlite into, or anywhere near, power lines over a railway...

[IforB]

How do you know it's a microlight?

Speculation is utterly meaningless, especially as no-one knows anything. I can think of various reasons why an aircraft could end up in powerlines. I wouldn't however post them on a public website.

[mybrainhurts]

IforB said:

How do you know it's a microlight?

Several radio news reports today

IforB said:

Speculation is utterly meaningless, especially as no-one knows anything. I can think of various reasons why an aircraft could end up in powerlines. I wouldn't however post them on a public website.

What a hero you are. I was looking for answers, not giving them.

[IforB]

No-one can give you answers. Nobody knows. Uniformed speculation and the standard of journalism when it comes to aircraft accidents means I'll treat them with great suspicion unitl it is confirmed by the police or in the AAIB report. Most journo's haven't got the foggiest what the difference between a microlight or light aircraft is, so invariably the reporting is often utter tosh.

I've had a fair few friends killed in aircraft crashes over the years and invariably any speculation is unwelcome and total bo**ocks, especially when it is from people with all the aviation knowledge of your average pebble.

Edited by IforB on Friday 2nd January 19:26

[mybrainhurts]

Perhaps you'll return to tell us when you see the AAIB report?

We never seem to get to that stage...I still haven't heard what happened to Colin MacRae

[IforB]

I know a bit about that crash, but I won't post it publicly. All you can say is that it was a horrid crash aftermath and very difficult to find out the information as to exactly what happened.

When the AAIB have done that, then they'll release the report. Until then, it helps no-one to speculate as to what happened, especially this close to an accident where 2 people seem to have lost their lives.

It's just poor taste in my eyes.

All AAIB reports are available to everyone. They aren't hidden away. http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/home/index.cfm

Edited by IforB on Friday 2nd January 19:45

[peterguk V6 KWK]

mybrainhurts said:

IforB said:

How do you know it's a microlight?

Several radio news reports today

"The aircraft, believed to be a Piper Cherokee"

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/latest-national-news/F...

[Driller]

IforB said:

No-one can give you answers. Nobody knows. Uniformed speculation and the standard of journalism when it comes to aircraft accidents means I'll treat them with great suspicion unitl it is confirmed by the police or in the AAIB report. Most journo's haven't got the foggiest what the difference between a microlight or light aircraft is, so invariably the reporting is often utter tosh.

I've had a fair few friends killed in aircraft crashes over the years and invariably any speculation is unwelcome and total bo**ocks, especially when it is from people with all the aviation knowledge of your average pebble.

Edited by IforB on Friday 2nd January 19:26

I never understood why everyone goes "it's too early to speculate" "you musn't speculate". This is a discussion forum why is there this silent rule banning anyone from discussing reasons for a plane crash like it's illegal or something and the folk must be scolded and put in their place?

Just wondering

Edited by Driller on Friday 2nd January 19:47

[IforB]

Which is certainly not a microlight. It proves my point about uninformed speculation and people who don't know what they are talking about.

[just me]

I think it was a tandem bike jump gone wrong. Bet they were drunk, too.

Ooh, did I just violate someone's anti-speculation rules?

Edited by just me on Friday 2nd January 19:51

[mybrainhurts]

IforB said:

I know a bit about that crash, but I won't post it publicly. All you can say is that it was a horrid crash aftermath and very difficult to find out the information as to exactly what happened.

When the AAIB have done that, then they'll release the report. Until then, it helps no-one to speculate as to what happened, especially this close to an accident where 2 people seem to have lost their lives.

It's just poor taste in my eyes.

I'm always amazed by the way you aviation bods consider the subject taboo.

In your position, I would be keen to discuss possible causes in case it revealed something of which I was unaware, thereby enhancing my personal safety. Parallel scenarios on the roads have opened my eyes a few times.

IforB said:

All AAIB reports are available to everyone. They aren't hidden away. http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/home/index.cfm

Thanks, I didn't know that.

Edited by mybrainhurts on Friday 2nd January 19:55

[IforB]

Driller said:

IforB said:

No-one can give you answers. Nobody knows. Uniformed speculation and the standard of journalism when it comes to aircraft accidents means I'll treat them with great suspicion unitl it is confirmed by the police or in the AAIB report. Most journo's haven't got the foggiest what the difference between a microlight or light aircraft is, so invariably the reporting is often utter tosh.

I've had a fair few friends killed in aircraft crashes over the years and invariably any speculation is unwelcome and total bo**ocks, especially when it is from people with all the aviation knowledge of your average pebble.

Edited by IforB on Friday 2nd January 19:26

I never understood why everyone goes "it's too early to speculate" "you musn't speculate". This is a discussion forum why is there this silent rule banning anyone discussing reasons for a plane crash like it's illegal something and the folk are being put in their place.

Just wondering

No, it's because the causes of accidents are often extremely complex and people blathering on about a subject they know stuff all about when people aren't even cold yet is just bad taste. The aviation world is an extremely small one and uniformed speculation is often extremely upsetting for friends and relatives. So the convention is not to speculate as it does more harm than good.

There are accidents where you can be fairly certain of what happened almost immediately, for example the Steve Hislop crash. That sort of accident happens with alarming regularity and is something that all Robinson pilots (and all of those flying helicopters with similar rotor systems) are made aware of.

In flying we deal with fact not speculation or guess work. Hearing people blathering on with no understanding of flying let alone all the facts of a particular accident is infuriating for those of us who fly professionally and who are often associated with the deceased in someway. We have stuff to learn from accidents, but only when the results and reasons are known.

Until then, it's just mawkish gawking.

[mybrainhurts]

peterguk V6 KWK said:

mybrainhurts said:

IforB said:

How do you know it's a microlight?

Several radio news reports today

"The aircraft, believed to be a Piper Cherokee"

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/latest-national-news/F...

I would be surprised if that's right.

Look at the BBC video in the opening post. Not much wreckage.

[IforB]

I've seen wreckage from one friend's aircraft that could have been put into a shoebox. The aircraft was far bigger than a PA28.

That means nothing. From the small bit of fibreglass in a photo, then I could easily say that it might be a PA28 as reported there. Not that I'm saying it is.

Edited to add: I've just been in contact with someone involved with all of this and it is a PA28. I won't post the registration though.

Edited by IforB on Friday 2nd January 20:09

[B17NNS]

IforB said:

All AAIB reports are available to everyone. They aren't hidden away. http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/home/index.cfm

Not ALL of them obviously. Only the ones they want us to know about.

There isn't a single mention of any alien craft crashing in there and Roswell doesn't get a mention either.

[skylinecrazy]

Heard about this just after it happened, first heard about it as 'Plane crashes near railway line in Staffordshire.' As i live about 100 metres from a train track myself some very frantic calls followed. Happened about 5 minutes away from me, a tragedy.