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Interesting article in the Guardian yesterday:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/sep/...
Things the article doesn't make entirely clear:
1. The author of this piece of pseudo-scientific trash is a vegan animal rights activist from Australia, who has somehow ended up as Professor of Animal Welfare at a former teacher training college turned university.
2. The conclusions were reached after asking vegans whether their cats were thriving on a vegan diet. The cats were not consulted.
3. The possibility that the "vegan" cats might be getting their meat from other sources was dismissed by the author who said that "most cats fed vegan food were indoor cats". The survey data does not support that statement.
The same author published a study last year promoting vegan diets for dogs, which used the same methodology and was reported uncritically as scientific fact by mainstream media. This one seems to be taking the same path, just been featured on Talksport and presented as "vegan food is good for cats". FFS.
Poor cats.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/sep/...
Things the article doesn't make entirely clear:
1. The author of this piece of pseudo-scientific trash is a vegan animal rights activist from Australia, who has somehow ended up as Professor of Animal Welfare at a former teacher training college turned university.
2. The conclusions were reached after asking vegans whether their cats were thriving on a vegan diet. The cats were not consulted.
3. The possibility that the "vegan" cats might be getting their meat from other sources was dismissed by the author who said that "most cats fed vegan food were indoor cats". The survey data does not support that statement.
The same author published a study last year promoting vegan diets for dogs, which used the same methodology and was reported uncritically as scientific fact by mainstream media. This one seems to be taking the same path, just been featured on Talksport and presented as "vegan food is good for cats". FFS.
Poor cats.
What rubbish. Pet food uses up all the lips and a
holes wasted in meat production for humans. What will they do with the enormous pile of lips and aholes if cats and dogs don't eat it? And what's the environmental impact/carbons of turning plants into pseudo-meat?
Key sentence: 'although these differences were not statistically signifiant' (typo courtesy of the Grauniad)
If I was the British Veterinary Association I would tell them it's a load of bks. And therefore not vegan.
holes wasted in meat production for humans. What will they do with the enormous pile of lips and aholes if cats and dogs don't eat it? And what's the environmental impact/carbons of turning plants into pseudo-meat?Key sentence: 'although these differences were not statistically signifiant' (typo courtesy of the Grauniad)
If I was the British Veterinary Association I would tell them it's a load of b
ks. And therefore not vegan.PS And don't take my word for it; this is from the senior partner at my vets practice: 'Until I see evidence to the contrary (and it is really possible to synthetically create nutrients that cats have historically had to require from meat), to my mind cats are "obligate carnivores". Historically trying to feed cats inappropriate vegan diets has certainly caused problems.'
Cats and vegans do have fairly similar personalities.
Vegan dogs on the other hand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXYL9OUaKs
Vegan dogs on the other hand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXYL9OUaKs
DaveTheRave87 said:
Cats and vegans do have fairly similar personalities.
Vegan dogs on the other hand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXYL9OUaKs
at least democratic vote by dog showed how daft some people can be.Vegan dogs on the other hand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXYL9OUaKs
Castrol for a knave said:
A load of bks
Cats have to be fed taurine and arginine, amongst other nutrients, that they cannot get from a plant based diet.
They need a meat based diet to get the essential amino acids.
Ah but vegans are so clever they can undo a million years of evolution just by writing an article about it.ks Cats have to be fed taurine and arginine, amongst other nutrients, that they cannot get from a plant based diet.
They need a meat based diet to get the essential amino acids.
The idea that you can save the planet by feeding your cat vegetables is beyond stupid.
Simpo Two said:
What rubbish. Pet food uses up all the lips and aholes wasted in meat production for humans. What will they do with the enormous pile of lips and aholes if cats and dogs don't eat it? And what's the environmental impact/carbons of turning plants into pseudo-meat?
Key sentence: 'although these differences were not statistically signifiant' (typo courtesy of the Grauniad)
If I was the British Veterinary Association I would tell them it's a load of bks. And therefore not vegan.
Ideology trumps commonsense and/or animal welfare - as frequently seems to be the case these daysholes wasted in meat production for humans. What will they do with the enormous pile of lips and aholes if cats and dogs don't eat it? And what's the environmental impact/carbons of turning plants into pseudo-meat?Key sentence: 'although these differences were not statistically signifiant' (typo courtesy of the Grauniad)
If I was the British Veterinary Association I would tell them it's a load of b
ks. And therefore not vegan.My wife and I are vegetarian and considering getting another dog, we definitely wouldn't feed it a vegetarian diet - dont confuse the views of some with those of all.
Plenty of animal owners feed their pets all sorts of unsuitable diets - chocolate, leftover junk food, "puppo-fking-cinos', this is just another group of them.
Even animal owners that feed their pets meat can't decide whether dry pellets, canned leftover lips and assholes, or raw bones are the most suitable diet.
And as for what happens to the lips and assholes if you don't feed them to pets? £1.50 Costco hotdogs my friend
Plenty of animal owners feed their pets all sorts of unsuitable diets - chocolate, leftover junk food, "puppo-f
king-cinos', this is just another group of them.Even animal owners that feed their pets meat can't decide whether dry pellets, canned leftover lips and assholes, or raw bones are the most suitable diet.
And as for what happens to the lips and assholes if you don't feed them to pets? £1.50 Costco hotdogs my friend
FWIW, I think feeding a cat a vegan diet is a bit nuts and unlikely to be good for them, but our cats absolutely love Yora insect food. I recognise that's not vegan but it's not traditional lips and bumhole meat either.
We tend to mix things up a bit because cats are cats - some days they'll clean their bowls, other days they won't touch it - but Yora seems to be the thing they consume in vast quantities.
We tend to mix things up a bit because cats are cats - some days they'll clean their bowls, other days they won't touch it - but Yora seems to be the thing they consume in vast quantities.
8bit said:
Simpo Two said:
What rubbish. Pet food uses up all the lips and aholes wasted in meat production for humans. What will they do with the enormous pile of lips and aholes if cats and dogs don't eat it?
What do you think half-time pies at football grounds are made from?!holes wasted in meat production for humans. What will they do with the enormous pile of lips and aholes if cats and dogs don't eat it?One thing to a post above - I thought dogs were slightly omnivorous as opposed to obligate carnivores. But I would hope that any cat or dog, if forced to eat artisan tofu, would eat its owner instead...
And on insect food, I'd check with a vet first.
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