Dog Training Interrupted
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Accepting I was using a public space and had absolutely no entitlement…
Doing a bit of training with my dog today on a long line, basic retrieval and recall stuff, all going fine then a chap appeared with a largish hound and let him off the leash to basically run straight through what I was doing and jump all over my dog.
We had words, I certainly wasn’t rude, just told him there were plenty of other places to let his dog run off a day in kennels (his excuse), to which he suggested I used the other places.
On reflection I’m sort of over it, just felt that given the location in question, which is hard to get into, the fact he could see what I was doing, then, rather than apologising decided to get chopsy with me, was pretty odd.
Guess I need to buy myself a field!
Doing a bit of training with my dog today on a long line, basic retrieval and recall stuff, all going fine then a chap appeared with a largish hound and let him off the leash to basically run straight through what I was doing and jump all over my dog.
We had words, I certainly wasn’t rude, just told him there were plenty of other places to let his dog run off a day in kennels (his excuse), to which he suggested I used the other places.
On reflection I’m sort of over it, just felt that given the location in question, which is hard to get into, the fact he could see what I was doing, then, rather than apologising decided to get chopsy with me, was pretty odd.
Guess I need to buy myself a field!
It absolutely infuriates me when it's clear I am trying to keep my dog under control for whatever reason, and some clueless moron just lets their dog saunter (or leg it at absolutely full speed) over to mine and get up in its business, wheezing some pathetic recall attempt in vain in the process. "He's friendly / he just wants to say hello" well 
, mine might not be, so please read the room.
I'm about 50/50 for apologies and annoyed humph in terms of responses now
In all seriousness though, you were in the right. There was no doubt plenty of other space for that dog to let off steam, and It's super basic dog ownership etiquette. If you're walking across a field or along a path and you can see a dog frolicking off its lead, it's probably fine for you to let your dog go and have fun. If you can see the dog is on a lead, there's probably a good reason. Let alone if it's clear the owner is trying to do some training and keep out of everyone's way.
, mine might not be, so please read the room.I'm about 50/50 for apologies and annoyed humph in terms of responses now
In all seriousness though, you were in the right. There was no doubt plenty of other space for that dog to let off steam, and It's super basic dog ownership etiquette. If you're walking across a field or along a path and you can see a dog frolicking off its lead, it's probably fine for you to let your dog go and have fun. If you can see the dog is on a lead, there's probably a good reason. Let alone if it's clear the owner is trying to do some training and keep out of everyone's way.
The other chap has every right to let his dog off lead, if it has good recall
What he doesn't have a right to do is let his dog jump all over yours
If you asked him to keep his dog under control and away from yours, he should have done so.
Nothing more annoying that dog owners who can't control their dogs yet refused to put them on a lead.
What he doesn't have a right to do is let his dog jump all over yours
If you asked him to keep his dog under control and away from yours, he should have done so.
Nothing more annoying that dog owners who can't control their dogs yet refused to put them on a lead.
The other guy's dog was out of control, which is against the law https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public
end of story really.
As is common though when called out on ttish behaviour of any kind, rather than just apologise like a civilised adult would, people tend to double down on it and become even more of a tt as a reaction to their embarrassment at being called out.
Next time call the police so they can come and put a shotgun shell through his dog's head (maybe). Seriously though, people need to start understanding that this kind of thing isn't on.
end of story really.
As is common though when called out on t
tish behaviour of any kind, rather than just apologise like a civilised adult would, people tend to double down on it and become even more of a tt as a reaction to their embarrassment at being called out.Next time call the police so they can come and put a shotgun shell through his dog's head (maybe). Seriously though, people need to start understanding that this kind of thing isn't on.
billbring said:
The other guy's dog was out of control, which is against the law https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public
end of story really.
Except it wasn't dangerous.end of story really.
If I was in the OP's position I'd have said hello to the other dog, had a few friendly words with its owner and wished him an enjoyable walk.
I'm amazed at some of the responses on here, and very glad I don't have a dog any more. The worst owners are the ones that gather their dogs close on a lead, and then say he/she's not good with other dogs. It's usually because it's not met any.
I'm amazed at some of the responses on here, and very glad I don't have a dog any more. The worst owners are the ones that gather their dogs close on a lead, and then say he/she's not good with other dogs. It's usually because it's not met any.
archie456 said:
The worst owners are the ones that gather their dogs close on a lead, and then say he/she's not good with other dogs. It's usually because it's not met any.
I walk my dog at quiet times and avoid other dogs. I gather my dog close on a lead if another dog does approach him becausea) I'll have asked the other dog owner to recall their dog as I don't want it approaching mine
b) The above because there's a chance my dog will go for their dog and I don't want their dog to get hurt
c) The above because my dog was abused as a puppy, not because "it's not met any" other dogs.
If you are taking a dog out, it should be under control. Mine is under control, he should not be housebound because other people can't control theirs.
archie456 said:
If I was in the OP's position I'd have said hello to the other dog, had a few friendly words with its owner and wished him an enjoyable walk.
I'm amazed at some of the responses on here, and very glad I don't have a dog any more. The worst owners are the ones that gather their dogs close on a lead, and then say he/she's not good with other dogs. It's usually because it's not met any.
I'm glad you don't own a dog anymore as well because this is a very naive understanding of both dog socialisation and the responsibility owners have. As you've pointed out, none of the other posts on this thread support your view which should be a fairly good indicator that you're in the wrong.I'm amazed at some of the responses on here, and very glad I don't have a dog any more. The worst owners are the ones that gather their dogs close on a lead, and then say he/she's not good with other dogs. It's usually because it's not met any.
The reason this IS dangerous behaviour and should be considered illegal is because having a large dog jumping all over another dog that is on lead is probably the best way to go about starting a dog fight. The dog that is being jumped on could be nervous, aggressive, fearful, blind, recovering from an operation, pregnant... the list goes on.
Aside from all of that, it's just rude and inconsiderate. If you were walking through a park with a child minding your own business and another unknown child charged over and jumped on them, would that be ok?
Edited by billbring on Tuesday 30th May 15:37
Howard- said:
p4cks said:
I've often thought that dog owners are rather selfish, and this story of just emphasises that opinion of you both.
Do elaborate. That's if you can?Evidenced by the OP suggesting the other owner goes elsewhere, because the other fella can't control his dog acting like a dog and getting excited at another dog. Guess what... dogs behave like dogs, they get excited, they bark, they can do some uncharacteristic and unpredictable things. They're wonderful creatures.
What dog owners, and many other people seem to forget, is that you can never entirely control a dog's behaviour, you can only influence it.
It's now considered "selfish" to be in a park with an expectation that you can go about your business without being jumped on. The mind boggles.
Please tell me, if you had a dog that jumped on another dog uninvited and that other dog happened to be pregnant and the pregnancy was terminated due to your dogs actions... would the owner of the pregnant dog be considered selfish for thinking that's not really ok?
Please tell me, if you had a dog that jumped on another dog uninvited and that other dog happened to be pregnant and the pregnancy was terminated due to your dogs actions... would the owner of the pregnant dog be considered selfish for thinking that's not really ok?
Edited by billbring on Tuesday 30th May 16:32
Muzzer79 said:
archie456 said:
The worst owners are the ones that gather their dogs close on a lead, and then say he/she's not good with other dogs. It's usually because it's not met any.
I walk my dog at quiet times and avoid other dogs. I gather my dog close on a lead if another dog does approach him becausea) I'll have asked the other dog owner to recall their dog as I don't want it approaching mine
b) The above because there's a chance my dog will go for their dog and I don't want their dog to get hurt
c) The above because my dog was abused as a puppy, not because "it's not met any" other dogs.
If you are taking a dog out, it should be under control. Mine is under control, he should not be housebound because other people can't control theirs.
billbring said:
archie456 said:
If I was in the OP's position I'd have said hello to the other dog, had a few friendly words with its owner and wished him an enjoyable walk.
I'm amazed at some of the responses on here, and very glad I don't have a dog any more. The worst owners are the ones that gather their dogs close on a lead, and then say he/she's not good with other dogs. It's usually because it's not met any.
I'm glad you don't own a dog anymore as well because this is a very naive understanding of both dog socialisation and the responsibility owners have. As you've pointed out, none of the other posts on this thread support your view which should be a fairly good indicator that you're in the wrong.I'm amazed at some of the responses on here, and very glad I don't have a dog any more. The worst owners are the ones that gather their dogs close on a lead, and then say he/she's not good with other dogs. It's usually because it's not met any.
The reason this IS dangerous behaviour and should be considered illegal is because having a large dog jumping all over another dog that is on lead is probably the best way to go about starting a dog fight. The dog that is being jumped on could be nervous, aggressive, fearful, blind, recovering from an operation, pregnant... the list goes on.
Edited by billbring on Tuesday 30th May 15:37
Boosted LS1 said:
It is not dangerous behaviour and therefore isn't illegal. It may be annoying to some and I completely get that but sociable dogs need to socialise in the same way that people do. Dogs know how to communicate far better with each other then you may think and the fight you suggest may happen if far more likely never to happen.
Please go and find one person who works professionally with dogs (trainer/behaviourist/vet) anywhere in the world that supports the view that it's ok for an on-lead dog to be approached and jumped on by an unknown off-lead dog.It is just the most basic of courtesies that this should not be a thing.
Did you read the last sentence of the post you quoted where I listed several conditions that dogs might have which mean is not just 'not ok', but actually dangerous? How do you respond to that?
The fact that you're comparing human and canine socialisation proves how uneducated you are on this subject. If you're sitting on a bench in a park and I come and jump on you whilst shouting "alright mate, I'm friendly" is that a desirable social interaction? Would we then just bound off together as best friends?
Two off-lead dogs recently decided to 'play 'with mine, but he's reactive to other dogs. Their owner told me that my dog should have a muzzle because he's dangerous.
My reply was that he doesn't need a muzzle because he's not dangerous, and he's under control on a lead. I pointed out that if she had any kind of control over her two dogs, or if they at least had fking collars on so that I could exert some control on them myself then we wouldn"t have needed to even have the conversation.
My reply was that he doesn't need a muzzle because he's not dangerous, and he's under control on a lead. I pointed out that if she had any kind of control over her two dogs, or if they at least had f
king collars on so that I could exert some control on them myself then we wouldn"t have needed to even have the conversation.p4cks said:
You see and hear it quite a lot. Some dog owners occasionally think they're entitled to have their dog in a specific place, but no one else's.
Evidenced by the OP suggesting the other owner goes elsewhere, because the other fella can't control his dog acting like a dog and getting excited at another dog. Guess what... dogs behave like dogs, they get excited, they bark, they can do some uncharacteristic and unpredictable things. They're wonderful creatures.
What dog owners, and many other people seem to forget, is that you can never entirely control a dog's behaviour, you can only influence it.
I think I prefaced my statement to the effect that I knew I had no entitlement.Evidenced by the OP suggesting the other owner goes elsewhere, because the other fella can't control his dog acting like a dog and getting excited at another dog. Guess what... dogs behave like dogs, they get excited, they bark, they can do some uncharacteristic and unpredictable things. They're wonderful creatures.
What dog owners, and many other people seem to forget, is that you can never entirely control a dog's behaviour, you can only influence it.
If you are sat in a pub having a quiet drink with your partner do you expect a drunk group of people to come and sit with you? Guess what... drunks behave like drunks, they get excited, they shout, they can do some uncharacteristic and unpredictable things. They're wonderful people.
There was plenty of space elsewhere, I didn’t assume a position of entitlement, I politely moved on. I was just puzzled as to how the other chap was justifying himself.
dave123456 said:
p4cks said:
You see and hear it quite a lot. Some dog owners occasionally think they're entitled to have their dog in a specific place, but no one else's.
Evidenced by the OP suggesting the other owner goes elsewhere, because the other fella can't control his dog acting like a dog and getting excited at another dog. Guess what... dogs behave like dogs, they get excited, they bark, they can do some uncharacteristic and unpredictable things. They're wonderful creatures.
What dog owners, and many other people seem to forget, is that you can never entirely control a dog's behaviour, you can only influence it.
I think I prefaced my statement to the effect that I knew I had no entitlement.Evidenced by the OP suggesting the other owner goes elsewhere, because the other fella can't control his dog acting like a dog and getting excited at another dog. Guess what... dogs behave like dogs, they get excited, they bark, they can do some uncharacteristic and unpredictable things. They're wonderful creatures.
What dog owners, and many other people seem to forget, is that you can never entirely control a dog's behaviour, you can only influence it.
If you are sat in a pub having a quiet drink with your partner do you expect a drunk group of people to come and sit with you?
archie456 said:
From your description you're either occupying 2 seats of a table that can accommodate more, or there's an empty table nearby, which might be the only available seats in the pub. You're sounding quite entitled there.
Not sure you have really explained yourself very well. If I’m sat at a table and there are empty seats nearby should I get up and move just because someone fancies my table?And you damn well know what I mean, even if 2 people are sat at a table for 4, they have the table, and to come and sit next to those 2 people and make a racket may be legal but it’s not acceptable behaviour.
billbring said:
Boosted LS1 said:
It is not dangerous behaviour and therefore isn't illegal. It may be annoying to some and I completely get that but sociable dogs need to socialise in the same way that people do. Dogs know how to communicate far better with each other then you may think and the fight you suggest may happen if far more likely never to happen.
Please go and find one person who works professionally with dogs (trainer/behaviourist/vet) anywhere in the world that supports the view that it's ok for an on-lead dog to be approached and jumped on by an unknown off-lead dog.It is just the most basic of courtesies that this should not be a thing.
Did you read the last sentence of the post you quoted where I listed several conditions that dogs might have which mean is not just 'not ok', but actually dangerous? How do you respond to that?
The fact that you're comparing human and canine socialisation proves how uneducated you are on this subject. If you're sitting on a bench in a park and I come and jump on you whilst shouting "alright mate, I'm friendly" is that a desirable social interaction? Would we then just bound off together as best friends?
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