Police shoot two dogs on leads

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Register1

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2,279 posts

100 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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The Metropolitan Police are attempting to justify the barbaric killing of two dogs in Tower Hamlets, London, on the afternoon of Sunday 7th May, 2023.

In a statement, the Met Police claim the "aggressive behaviour of two dogs was of considerable concern and posed a significant threat to them". And yet, concrete video evidence all over social media shows these dogs to be under control and on leads with their owner. Yes, these dogs are barking and reacting to the police, but any normal dog would do the same when being approached by multiple armed, vocal people in uniform, surrounding them in such a threatening manner.

They continue to claim in their statement that these dogs were "dangerously out of control" and, yet again, video evidence shows this not to be the case. The dogs even immediately calm down when their owner ask them to.

So why, then, is it acceptable for the police to not only taser their owner, but SHOOT AND KILL BOTH DOGS AT CLOSE RANGE?! One of which seemingly doesn't die straight away, either, and is left to suffer on the canal path while shocked onlookers are left screaming.

And why, too, does one police officer, who has one of the dogs secure in a catch pole, then choose to release that dog and let it run back to its owner, only to be shot as it runs away?

Key points:

Both dogs are leashed and under control.

Neither dog is "dangerously out of control".

Neither dog "posed significant threat".

There is no solid evidence of what these dogs have been

accused of doing -

the police had no right to take matters into their own, violent hands without a proper and thorough investigation.
If need be, these dogs could have been sedated/humanely seized and the relevant authorities could have properly looked into the situation.
Both dogs were acting in a perfectly acceptable way for the situation, barking at a very real and frightening threat - seven armed, vocal and menacing people advancing towards them.
The first dog is needlessly shot and doesn't die straight away.
The second dog is in an understandable state of panic, STILL posing no threat and trying to escape the situation.
One officer restrains the second dog using a catch pole and for some reason chooses to needlessly RELEASE the panicked dog, as if to try and provoke a negative reaction.
The terrified dog chooses to RUN AWAY, back to its owner and another officer PURSUES the dog and brutally shoots the dog, from behind, at close range, while it's trying to get away.
Officers then pat each other on the back and one is seen quickly pulling his mask up over his face, after realising they are being filmed.
The owner was clearly very distressed and adding to the upset of his dogs. But, regardless of his actions, this is about the dogs and the fact that they were inhumanely and unnecessarily slaughtered in broad daylight.

This is easily one of the most disgusting, abhorrent and totally unjustifiable videos I have ever seen and, once again, the Met Police need to be held criminally accountable for their unlawful actions and their unacceptable abuse of power.

Met Police shoot and kill two innocent dogs






Caddyshack

11,396 posts

212 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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I guess the shooter may have been scared of dogs and Had been called to deal with a report of dangerous dogs?

People see things in different ways but I think these guys have dropped themselves in to a lot of trouble as there are a lot of dog lovers out there.


A Rottie bit me in the groin last week, if it had been 2 cm to the left I would have shot it if I had a gun on me.

Boosted LS1

21,198 posts

266 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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It's mission creep. Remember when tazers were for self defence but now they're assault weapons. Same for facial id now that we've been swamped with cctv. Give a cop a gun and he can't wait to get his rocks off. wkers. They need to be held to account, everytime.

Boosted LS1

21,198 posts

266 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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I've seen the video, utter scum bags.

Caddyshack

11,396 posts

212 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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Boosted LS1 said:
It's mission creep. Remember when tazers were for self defence but now they're assault weapons. Same for facial id now that we've been swamped with cctv. Give a cop a gun and he can't wait to get his rocks off. wkers. They need to be held to account, everytime.
A lot of infantry soldiers cannot wait to get stuck in to action to use all the excellent training, I assume armed police want some action too?

I think these guys will be held to account due to the huge backlash.

Terminator X

15,915 posts

210 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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Register1 said:
That is a disgrace. The dogs did not look like a threat whilst the chap had them on the leash, only when he was tazered and moved away. That many cops as well could have easily over powered the dogs.

TX.

Olivera

7,574 posts

245 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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Arguably justified.

RUNAMOK

86 posts

135 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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Nobody who watches that video can say the dogs were under control when the first shot is fired. The owner clearly releases his grip on the lead and allows the dog to move towards the officers. Dog then gets shot immediately as the police were warning him they would do so. All bets are off after that. Police respond to report of dog attack, man refuses to hand over safely and releases one despite warnings. Not sure what other outcomes people would expect here. That is my take on the videos.

SlimJim16v

5,996 posts

149 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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Some police are s. In Australia they tasered a 95 year old woman with dementia who was advancing towards them with a steak knife, using her walking frame.

Caddyshack

11,396 posts

212 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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RUNAMOK said:
Nobody who watches that video can say the dogs were under control when the first shot is fired. The owner clearly releases his grip on the lead and allows the dog to move towards the officers. Dog then gets shot immediately as the police were warning him they would do so. All bets are off after that. Police respond to report of dog attack, man refuses to hand over safely and releases one despite warnings. Not sure what other outcomes people would expect here. That is my take on the videos.
I have to say that I saw it a bit that way but it is a unpopular opinion.

Caddyshack

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212 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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SlimJim16v said:
Some police are s. In Australia they tasered a 95 year old woman with dementia who was advancing towards them with a steak knife, using her walking frame.
A person with dementia and a steak nice can still be a threat even if 95. I don’t think Police taser without warning or without trying another method first.

A lot of Police haters might change their opinion if they rode along and tried to assist with their own way of doing things - the average Saturday night might be quite eye opening. It is probably a very scary and outnumbered situation a lot of the time.

SlimJim16v

5,996 posts

149 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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Caddyshack said:
A person with dementia and a steak nice can still be a threat even if 95. I don’t think Police taser without warning or without trying another method first.
If you need a taser in this situation, I'd say you're in the wrong job, maybe better in something looking after pre-school kiddies.

Caddyshack

11,396 posts

212 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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SlimJim16v said:
Caddyshack said:
A person with dementia and a steak nice can still be a threat even if 95. I don’t think Police taser without warning or without trying another method first.
If you need a taser in this situation, I'd say you're in the wrong job, maybe better in something looking after pre-school kiddies.
Those things are even more scary.

ATG

21,142 posts

278 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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Caddyshack said:
RUNAMOK said:
Nobody who watches that video can say the dogs were under control when the first shot is fired. The owner clearly releases his grip on the lead and allows the dog to move towards the officers. Dog then gets shot immediately as the police were warning him they would do so. All bets are off after that. Police respond to report of dog attack, man refuses to hand over safely and releases one despite warnings. Not sure what other outcomes people would expect here. That is my take on the videos.
I have to say that I saw it a bit that way but it is a unpopular opinion.
Ditto

Mikebentley

6,508 posts

146 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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Dogs can be considered weapons. I haven’t watched the video but I bet they weren’t a couple of miniature poodles.

Ice_blue_tvr

3,223 posts

170 months

Saturday 20th May 2023
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Whats the chances they were going to be destroyed anyway?

I think it was a tough call but the right one, unfortunately. Fully the owners fault too.

christhreadgill

210 posts

28 months

Monday 22nd May 2023
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Interesting to note that no mention of the reason why the police had been called in the first place? I understand that one of the dogs had just attacked a random member of the public, knocking her into Commercial Road traffic and injuring her own dog as well.

Not at all condoling the shootings, but don't believe the media coverage / OP post is being 100% truthful of the situation - all a bit witch-hunty towards to Police (as usual).

z4RRSchris

11,464 posts

185 months

Monday 22nd May 2023
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guy banned from keeping dogs
guys dogs attack woman and her dog
police ask guy to hand over dogs - they will be destroyed as he cant keep them and they are dangerous
guy doesn't hand over
dogs destroyed.

whats the issue?


C5_Steve

4,451 posts

109 months

Monday 22nd May 2023
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I believe there's a longer version of the video which does actually show one of the dogs attacking the officers, regardless the dogs had just been used to attack members of the public.

I'm a dog lover myself but I'm sorry, in this situation I see nothing wrong I'm afraid and place 100% of the blame on the owner for these poor dogs suffering.

The dogs were being used as weapons, it's the owner's fault. You can't argue the officers should have switched to Tasers, they had three violent targets in front of them. Taser isn't an effective solution in that scenario, it'd be incredibly hard to hit a dog that's agitated and jumping all over the place.