Knowing when it’s time to say goodbye

Knowing when it’s time to say goodbye

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7184c

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416 posts

97 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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I’m looking for some advice as I genuinely don’t know what to do.

Our JR cross girl is 13.5 years old but has deteriorated in recent months and weeks. Her hearing started to go initially around a year ago but is now pretty much deaf. This wouldn’t be a problem on its own but now her eyesight has gone in the last 6 weeks.

It is amazing to see her navigate the house gently using her head and memory to find her bowls, bed etc however we can’t keep a clear route all the time as two toddlers leaving toys, books etc out mean she is constantly walking into things. She has also started to become incontinent overnight which we again we can live with as floors are all dog and child friendly. For me it is a small price to pay for the years of loyalty.

She doesn’t appear to be in any pain and still brings a lot to the house and our kids adore feeding her and cuddles. Her nose still works as she can jump on a sofa and eat the kids leftovers which used to annoy but now something we laugh at and cherish.

I guess I know the difficult day is coming, it’s hard to even write that but in others experience when do you know it is time to make the call?




Muzzer79

10,818 posts

193 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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7184c said:
I’m looking for some advice as I genuinely don’t know what to do.

Our JR cross girl is 13.5 years old but has deteriorated in recent months and weeks. Her hearing started to go initially around a year ago but is now pretty much deaf. This wouldn’t be a problem on its own but now her eyesight has gone in the last 6 weeks.

It is amazing to see her navigate the house gently using her head and memory to find her bowls, bed etc however we can’t keep a clear route all the time as two toddlers leaving toys, books etc out mean she is constantly walking into things. She has also started to become incontinent overnight which we again we can live with as floors are all dog and child friendly. For me it is a small price to pay for the years of loyalty.

She doesn’t appear to be in any pain and still brings a lot to the house and our kids adore feeding her and cuddles. Her nose still works as she can jump on a sofa and eat the kids leftovers which used to annoy but now something we laugh at and cherish.

I guess I know the difficult day is coming, it’s hard to even write that but in others experience when do you know it is time to make the call?
I would ask the vet for advice.

The incontinence thing, which you are admirably accommodating, might not be an issue for you but it can be very distressing for the dog. They've been programmed from a young age that toileting in the house is a bad thing so when they can't help but do it, it can distress them.

I think a lot of it is subjective and down to the individual dog. If you truly believe she is living a happy life, there's no reason to change that. But it needs to be happy from her point of view, not the humans in the house (if you get my meaning)

It's an awful dilemma as they get older frown


Stick Legs

5,638 posts

171 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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I took our old Labrador for a one way trip in the car a couple of years ago at 12.

She was going downhill fast, wasn’t showing any sign of being happy.
Perpetually anxious, throwing up bile, cowering at any loud noise.
Her hip was going and was causing pain.

If it was a person you could sit them down & explain, medication could help.

But poor old Scarlett was just existing. In her own world with no real joy.

Pets serve a purpose to our benefit. It is up to us to ensure their well being.
In this case the kindest thing to do for her was a good breakfast, short walk, ride in the car & a sharp scratch.

(Having come to this decision and discussed it with our vet on the day the other partner at the vets was there & they tried to talk me out of it at the 11th hour.
Blooming good job I was there on my own, Mrs. would have been in bits & frankly it was the least professional veterinarian behaviour I can imagine.)

But I was happy that the best decision for Scarlett’s welfare had been made, as hard as it was keeping her at that point would have been for our benefit & not hers.

moorx

3,758 posts

120 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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Some very sensible advice offered already. I sympathise with your situation, it is horrible.

I have seen the following quoted and I think - although it is 'clinical' - it can be useful for those of us struggling to be objective about our pet's quality of life:

From the book "Absent Friend" by Laura and Martyn Lee - proposed by Andrew Edney, vet and past president of the British Small Animal Vet. Association:

Is the animal:
Free from pain, distress, or serious discomfort which cannot be effectively controlled
Able to walk and balance reasonably well
Able to eat and drink enough for normal maintenance without much difficulty and without vomiting
Free from tumours which cause pain or serious discomfort and are judged inoperable or otherwise untreatable
Able to breathe without difficulty
Able to urinate and defecate reasonably frequently and without serious difficulty or incontinence
and is the owner:
Able to cope physically and emotionally with any nursing or medication that may be required?

If the answer to any of these questions is "No" and treatment is unlikely to help, then euthanasia might be the preferred option.'

SlimJim16v

5,999 posts

149 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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It doesn't sound like it's time yet, but you know it's getting close unfortunately.

What you may find helpful is a scoring system, which helps with your decision.

https://www.cesarsway.com/Understanding-the-dog-qu...

oldskoolgent

127 posts

54 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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i haven't much to say on whether it is time or not.
Bur for what it's worth, having been through the same process (as others have here) you and your family have my deepest sympathy at such a difficult time.


a311

5,967 posts

183 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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You have my sympathy OP it’s a very difficult decision to make. Our Lab made his last journey to the vet almost 3 years ago. He had a 6 month reprieve from when we first starting thinking about (actually had him booked in to be put to sleep) but decided he was happy enough and still got enjoyment in life . His mobility really went down hill quickly and became incontinent, absolutely nothing wrong with his appetite but took the approach of better a month or two early than a day too late in the end.

The vet really didn’t give any advice beyond the usual, if he’s happy and eating it’s up to you. Would be nice if they would just drift off in their sleep but that’s not reality. I was a complete coward and my wife had to take him.

7184c

Original Poster:

416 posts

97 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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Thanks for all your responses, they really help.

She is definitely eating well so I think we are going to take it week by week.

A bit of a rollercoaster of emotions for us. The kids are showing kindness and compassion that I would never have expected.

kevinon

901 posts

66 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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7184c said:
Thanks for all your responses, they really help.

She is definitely eating well so I think we are going to take it week by week.

A bit of a rollercoaster of emotions for us. The kids are showing kindness and compassion that I would never have expected.
Lovely to read about the way your kids are showing compassion. A friend of mine, a teacher, believes that pets, especially dogs are really great to help kids develop their soft side. She was talking about her 3 very active, rowdy boys; but she said that teen boys in particular benefit from the doggie hugs they give and the loyalty they get back.

(but they are not the best for doing dog chores !)

Any family who takes on a pet, particularly a dog, and treat it well is doing society a favour. I salute you. And I empathise with the situation you are facing.

Jasandjules

70,411 posts

235 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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Is she distressed by any of this?

Being blind IME had a much lesser impact that I had expected. As you say, they soon learn to navigate the house in the main and even the garden and walk through the forest in our case.

If she is not in pain or distressed, then keep going. To me they "tell you" when they are ready. And this seems to be the point at which they are simply having more bad days than good. If there is a still a waggy tail for a walk, eating etc then this is not so bad to me..

HocusPocus

1,067 posts

107 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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Sorry you are at this difficult point. We asked ourselves could he/she still live a dog's life functioning happily as a dog should. There is never the perfect moment, but as a loving owner you will know when the appropriate time comes to say goodbye.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

249 months

Monday 3rd October 2022
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You and they will know when its time, going by what you've said it isn't that time yet.

halfpenny43

1,027 posts

242 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Sorry to read the story.

We've just been through the same - and as others have said - you will know when its time as nobody else knows your pet like you do, and nobody knows it's behaviour as well as you.


7184c

Original Poster:

416 posts

97 months

Friday 7th October 2022
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Just to update we had a trip to the vet and it’s a brain tumour.

I don’t want to put her through more scans or surgery. I am pragmatic about her age but If anyone has been in this situation please let me know your advice. She has not had any seizures and does not seem to be in any discomfort currently but the moment that changes we are preparing.

She is eating well and we are spoiling her with favourite food, tonight it’s her own portion of mushy peas when we get fish and chips.

garythesign

2,232 posts

94 months

Friday 7th October 2022
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As others have said, you will know your dog better than anyone else.

You will know when is the right time.

Enjoy the time you have left together.

moorx

3,758 posts

120 months

Friday 7th October 2022
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7184c said:
Just to update we had a trip to the vet and it’s a brain tumour.

I don’t want to put her through more scans or surgery. I am pragmatic about her age but If anyone has been in this situation please let me know your advice. She has not had any seizures and does not seem to be in any discomfort currently but the moment that changes we are preparing.

She is eating well and we are spoiling her with favourite food, tonight it’s her own portion of mushy peas when we get fish and chips.
Sorry to hear that.

I think you're taking a very sensible approach - spoil her for as long as possible! You are all in my thoughts.

7184c

Original Poster:

416 posts

97 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Just to update on this and thanks for the kind words and advice before which really helped.

We made the call 4 weeks ago that we were dreading but it was the right thing to do. The kids miss her so much as do we, the house feels empty and too quiet without her.

The advice to have a home vet visit made it just that little bit easier, we used a company called cloud 9 as our local vet doesn’t do visits. I would recommend to anyone in the same situation. We have her back with us now and lots of photos and videos of memories to cherish.

The wife wants to get a new dog soon, I don’t want to rush into anything. I’m sure I’ll come round to it but I guess still grieving the loss a bit and don’t want to go through it again any time soon.

Once again thanks to all who contributed.