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I’ve no desire to breed dogs but with the price of pedigree puppies increasing lately, I wondered what kind of money a typical dog breeder might make?
With some breeds fetching £2k+ per puppy, then at least £10k per litter must be a reasonable expectation.
Puppies from the blood line of show dogs will obviously cost more, But they will no doubt have to pay for their b
h to mate with the stud dog, then vets bills etc.
Some breeders might just have the one bh, with a litter per year, but there will be professional and respected kennels with multiple dogs that they are breeding with. I’m excluding puppy farms from any calculations.
So, is it a comfortable income for them. Or full of risk and pitfalls?
With some breeds fetching £2k+ per puppy, then at least £10k per litter must be a reasonable expectation.
Puppies from the blood line of show dogs will obviously cost more, But they will no doubt have to pay for their b
h to mate with the stud dog, then vets bills etc. Some breeders might just have the one b
h, with a litter per year, but there will be professional and respected kennels with multiple dogs that they are breeding with. I’m excluding puppy farms from any calculations. So, is it a comfortable income for them. Or full of risk and pitfalls?
I think it depends a lot on the dog breed and what’s in/ out of fashion . I’v met loads of people in my local park telling me they plan to breed their dogs without a thought of what’s right for their dog and the risks involved. In fact I met a guy this morning with a big American bulldog who he is planning to use as a stud despite the fact the dog has hip dysplasia.
I started my hunt for a dandie dinmont many years ago and in the process got to know many breeders. They all told me the same thing , no profit to be made in breeding dandies and they don’t sell them for crazy prices . As it’s a rare breed the breeders/ breed enthusiasts seem to have a very tight reign on breeding practices. Breeding stock are all health checked including an expensive eye exam and as the gene pool is so small a lot of care is given to who mates with who, flying in stud dogs, artificial insemination etc. They generally have small litters and a lot of births are by c section. By the time all that’s factored in , I wouldn’t have though the profit margins would be that great - not for dandies anyway. Different I’d imagine for more popular breeds.
I started my hunt for a dandie dinmont many years ago and in the process got to know many breeders. They all told me the same thing , no profit to be made in breeding dandies and they don’t sell them for crazy prices . As it’s a rare breed the breeders/ breed enthusiasts seem to have a very tight reign on breeding practices. Breeding stock are all health checked including an expensive eye exam and as the gene pool is so small a lot of care is given to who mates with who, flying in stud dogs, artificial insemination etc. They generally have small litters and a lot of births are by c section. By the time all that’s factored in , I wouldn’t have though the profit margins would be that great - not for dandies anyway. Different I’d imagine for more popular breeds.
With the rise in puppy prices (£2-3k for premium breeds) has risen the scummers taking advantage of this. I saw one couple recently, living in a council house, who had three dogs litter at the same time, each with 6+ puppies at £2.5k each. How much of that income do you think was disclosed?
When you speak with the reputable breeders, they’ll tell you that the prices are ridiculous - but they feel trapped because if they sell cheap, scummers will buy and then resell on at full price.
Hopefully with covid passing, so to will this puppy hype cycle. It’s really noticeable how many more dogs there are about nowadays!
When you speak with the reputable breeders, they’ll tell you that the prices are ridiculous - but they feel trapped because if they sell cheap, scummers will buy and then resell on at full price.
Hopefully with covid passing, so to will this puppy hype cycle. It’s really noticeable how many more dogs there are about nowadays!
PBDirector said:
With the rise in puppy prices (£2-3k for premium breeds) has risen the scummers taking advantage of this. I saw one couple recently, living in a council house, who had three dogs litter at the same time, each with 6+ puppies at £2.5k each. How much of that income do you think was disclosed?
When you speak with the reputable breeders, they’ll tell you that the prices are ridiculous - but they feel trapped because if they sell cheap, scummers will buy and then resell on at full price.
Hopefully with covid passing, so to will this puppy hype cycle. It’s really noticeable how many more dogs there are about nowadays!
Why is the fact that they live in a council house relevant?When you speak with the reputable breeders, they’ll tell you that the prices are ridiculous - but they feel trapped because if they sell cheap, scummers will buy and then resell on at full price.
Hopefully with covid passing, so to will this puppy hype cycle. It’s really noticeable how many more dogs there are about nowadays!
Do all council house dwellers not declare their income?
Bad people and tax dodgers live mostly in owner occupied housing
sam greenock said:
Why is the fact that they live in a council house relevant?
Do all council house dwellers not declare their income?
Bad people and tax dodgers live mostly in owner occupied housing
Hey Sam, this reply says more about you than me. I think you’re trying to pick a fight that isn’t there. My wife grew up in council housing. It’s relevant to the story because I’m describing where they live.Do all council house dwellers not declare their income?
Bad people and tax dodgers live mostly in owner occupied housing
PBDirector said:
Hey Sam, this reply says more about you than me. I think you’re trying to pick a fight that isn’t there. My wife grew up in council housing. It’s relevant to the story because I’m describing where they live.
Not trying to pick a fight in slightest, just trying to figure out why its relevant, do you always describe folk by what type of housing provision they use.Being from Scotland were, up until the mid/late 1970s, 75% of folk lived in council housing I always find it strange why people use council housing ( or social housing as it seems to be referred to nowadays) as a way of looking down at folks. It seems to be a weird British thing that owning your house is something pure, dead, brilliant and makes one better than non-home owners.
The puppy farms raided in Scotland by the SSPCA( the RSPCA don't operate in Scotland, never have done) are all in private residencies, not one council house involved - they were probably not declaring the income either
The type of housing of the people involved is an irrelevance, they're scum, no matter what they live in or their tax status
sam greenock said:
PBDirector said:
Hey Sam, this reply says more about you than me. I think you’re trying to pick a fight that isn’t there. My wife grew up in council housing. It’s relevant to the story because I’m describing where they live.
Not trying to pick a fight in slightest, just trying to figure out why its relevant, do you always describe folk by what type of housing provision they use.Being from Scotland were, up until the mid/late 1970s, 75% of folk lived in council housing I always find it strange why people use council housing ( or social housing as it seems to be referred to nowadays) as a way of looking down at folks. It seems to be a weird British thing that owning your house is something pure, dead, brilliant and makes one better than non-home owners.
The puppy farms raided in Scotland by the SSPCA( the RSPCA don't operate in Scotland, never have done) are all in private residencies, not one council house involved - they were probably not declaring the income either
The type of housing of the people involved is an irrelevance, they're scum, no matter what they live in or their tax status
PBDirector said:
sam greenock said:
Why is the fact that they live in a council house relevant?
Do all council house dwellers not declare their income?
Bad people and tax dodgers live mostly in owner occupied housing
Hey Sam, this reply says more about you than me. I think you’re trying to pick a fight that isn’t there. My wife grew up in council housing. It’s relevant to the story because I’m describing where they live.Do all council house dwellers not declare their income?
Bad people and tax dodgers live mostly in owner occupied housing
sam greenock said:
Not trying to pick a fight in slightest, just trying to figure out why its relevant, do you always describe folk by what type of housing provision they use.
Sam I know some lovely people who live in council houses, some utter s who don’t live in council houses, and vice versa. I’m delighted that you are passionately defending the usage of council house as a pejorative term.The dog breeders in my anecdote live in a council house.
PBDirector said:
geeks said:
No, it definitely says more about you
Hey Geeks, your contribution wasn’t helpful. Please feel free not to bother chipping in from the sidelines in future.now that geeks has agreed he’s going to leave us to it (thank goodness for that) I’d like to point out that if you live in a council house, then it is very much more likely that 20*£2.5K is a circumstances-changing amount of money. (And if it isn’t then I’d ask whether council housing was appropriate for that person).
Circumstances-changing amounts of money does funny things to people.
Circumstances-changing amounts of money does funny things to people.
Batleyred said:
sam greenock said:
PBDirector said:
Hey Sam, this reply says more about you than me. I think you’re trying to pick a fight that isn’t there. My wife grew up in council housing. It’s relevant to the story because I’m describing where they live.
Not trying to pick a fight in slightest, just trying to figure out why its relevant, do you always describe folk by what type of housing provision they use.Being from Scotland were, up until the mid/late 1970s, 75% of folk lived in council housing I always find it strange why people use council housing ( or social housing as it seems to be referred to nowadays) as a way of looking down at folks. It seems to be a weird British thing that owning your house is something pure, dead, brilliant and makes one better than non-home owners.
The puppy farms raided in Scotland by the SSPCA( the RSPCA don't operate in Scotland, never have done) are all in private residencies, not one council house involved - they were probably not declaring the income either
The type of housing of the people involved is an irrelevance, they're scum, no matter what they live in or their tax status
Prices around here still are high, but looking at Whippets prices elsewhere seem to be dropping.
There are quite a few sellers trying to sell 11 week old puppies...
And do not get me started on the people who get a puppy then 16 weeks in decide 'change of circumstances' and then want all the money back they paid for the pup.
There are quite a few sellers trying to sell 11 week old puppies...
And do not get me started on the people who get a puppy then 16 weeks in decide 'change of circumstances' and then want all the money back they paid for the pup.
PBDirector said:
With the rise in puppy prices (£2-3k for premium breeds) has risen the scummers taking advantage of this. I saw one couple recently, living in a council house, who had three dogs litter at the same time, each with 6+ puppies at £2.5k each. How much of that income do you think was disclosed?
When you speak with the reputable breeders, they’ll tell you that the prices are ridiculous - but they feel trapped because if they sell cheap, scummers will buy and then resell on at full price.
Hopefully with covid passing, so to will this puppy hype cycle. It’s really noticeable how many more dogs there are about nowadays!
Do you know whether the house has been purchased by the occupants or if they actually rent it from the council?When you speak with the reputable breeders, they’ll tell you that the prices are ridiculous - but they feel trapped because if they sell cheap, scummers will buy and then resell on at full price.
Hopefully with covid passing, so to will this puppy hype cycle. It’s really noticeable how many more dogs there are about nowadays!
sam greenock said:
Why is the fact that they live in a council house relevant?
Do all council house dwellers not declare their income?
Bad people and tax dodgers live mostly in owner occupied housing
I would advise you keep away from the 'A bit council' thread Do all council house dwellers not declare their income?
Bad people and tax dodgers live mostly in owner occupied housing
Whilst there are clearly some lovely people living in council estates, it's also usually where you find the dross of society too.
When I sold my last house a couple of young scrotes from a notorious council estate offered me the asking price. I declined and told the estate agent not to pass on any more offers from them as I refused to sell to them. Why? Because they commented during the viewing that they would concrete over the rear garden for kennels for their dog breeding. I just couldn't do that to my neighbours.
Batleyred said:
Maybe because , Council estate tenants can not run a business from their home. Dog breeding is a business so I’d suggest it is relevant. If you make more than £1000 from a litter a breeding licence is required. Council tenants can not breed legally.
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