Puppy Teenager
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Nothing I wasn’t expecting but jeez it is hard.
He has got selective hearing
Started barking at thin air
Easily bored
Sleeps less
I think the puppy stage was easier. Nothing will wear him out and you can make progress with one bit and then all the other parts of training start to disappear.
And I wish he would stop chewing my bloody desk for attention.
Excuse the dodgy get up.
It’s ok though I heard he should calm down in a couple of years.
Nothing else to add other than a vent, thanks for listening.
He has got selective hearing
Started barking at thin air
Easily bored
Sleeps less
I think the puppy stage was easier. Nothing will wear him out and you can make progress with one bit and then all the other parts of training start to disappear.
And I wish he would stop chewing my bloody desk for attention.
Excuse the dodgy get up.
It’s ok though I heard he should calm down in a couple of years.
Nothing else to add other than a vent, thanks for listening.
pidsy said:
Bless!
You’ll look back on these dark times with fondness in a few years.
It’s just a phase - as long as he’s destroying toilet rolls and toys rather than shoes and furniture.
He has taken a keen interest in the corner of the sofa. Everything just seems incredibly hard work and very frustrating.You’ll look back on these dark times with fondness in a few years.
It’s just a phase - as long as he’s destroying toilet rolls and toys rather than shoes and furniture.
Oh don’t let me forget the whining for attention. Maybe someone swapped my puppy whilst I was out
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Sorry to be that bloke but...
You've either bought a breed that's unsuited for the lifestyle you're used to or you're not training it correctly.
What dog do you have?You've either bought a breed that's unsuited for the lifestyle you're used to or you're not training it correctly.
Edit I see you had a lab, you must have been very lucky with your past dog not facing the adolescent stage. I’m perfectly happy with my training (my trainer is happy with him also) But I appreciate your passing comment.
Edited by sc0tt on Wednesday 7th April 17:52
sc0tt said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Sorry to be that bloke but...
You've either bought a breed that's unsuited for the lifestyle you're used to or you're not training it correctly.
What dog do you have?You've either bought a breed that's unsuited for the lifestyle you're used to or you're not training it correctly.
Edit I see you had a lab, you must have been very lucky with your past dog not facing the adolescent stage. I’m perfectly happy with my training (my trainer is happy with him also) But I appreciate your passing comment.
Edited by sc0tt on Wednesday 7th April 17:52
LaurasOtherHalf said:
sc0tt said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Sorry to be that bloke but...
You've either bought a breed that's unsuited for the lifestyle you're used to or you're not training it correctly.
What dog do you have?You've either bought a breed that's unsuited for the lifestyle you're used to or you're not training it correctly.
Edit I see you had a lab, you must have been very lucky with your past dog not facing the adolescent stage. I’m perfectly happy with my training (my trainer is happy with him also) But I appreciate your passing comment.
Edited by sc0tt on Wednesday 7th April 17:52
We haven’t gone over the “mum left a toilet roll on the holder scenario training” at training I must admit so it must be that.
sc0tt said:
We are still training through it, he’s back on the longline as his recall has gone to pot. Happy for any tips that you have then.
We haven’t gone over the “mum left a toilet roll on the holder scenario training” at training I must admit so it must be that.
It's not like someone's insulted your children so no need to be pissy about it. You post a thread to vent about your dogs poor behaviour and all I've done is point out that your training isn't working which, let's be honest, it isn't.We haven’t gone over the “mum left a toilet roll on the holder scenario training” at training I must admit so it must be that.
As I said, any working dogs go through the same thing but you can manage your training through the same period with increased intensity and still have a well behaved and obedient dog.
What training are you doing?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
sc0tt said:
We are still training through it, he’s back on the longline as his recall has gone to pot. Happy for any tips that you have then.
We haven’t gone over the “mum left a toilet roll on the holder scenario training” at training I must admit so it must be that.
It's not like someone's insulted your children so no need to be pissy about it. You post a thread to vent about your dogs poor behaviour and all I've done is point out that your training isn't working which, let's be honest, it isn't.We haven’t gone over the “mum left a toilet roll on the holder scenario training” at training I must admit so it must be that.
As I said, any working dogs go through the same thing but you can manage your training through the same period with increased intensity and still have a well behaved and obedient dog.
What training are you doing?
I’m not pissy but your opening “must be the breed” rather than offering a suggestion does tend to put me on the backfoot.
His heel walking for example is much better than it was 3 weeks ago but now when he gets a ball in his mouth he has a mind of his own.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
sc0tt said:
I’m not pissy but your opening “must be the breed” rather than offering a suggestion does tend to put me on the backfoot.
I didn't write that. Regardless of how often you're "training", what are you doing every day and for how long with it?Throughout the day, sit, lay, paw and twirl etc.
630 dinner and then he will sleep to the next day.
I will add, different dog at the weekend as soon as i’m at my desk and he hasn’t got your line of sight chomp whereas of a weekend we can be sat watching the TV and he will happily sit and play in the lounge. I’m sure he thrives on my work stress.
Edited by sc0tt on Wednesday 7th April 19:05
sc0tt said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
sc0tt said:
I’m not pissy but your opening “must be the breed” rather than offering a suggestion does tend to put me on the backfoot.
I didn't write that. Regardless of how often you're "training", what are you doing every day and for how long with it?Throughout the day, sit, lay, paw and twirl etc.
630 dinner and then he will sleep to the next day.
I will add, different dog at the weekend as soon as i’m at my desk and he hasn’t got your line of sight chomp whereas of a weekend we can be sat watching the TV and he will happily sit and play in the lounge. I’m sure he thrives on my work stress.
Edited by sc0tt on Wednesday 7th April 19:05
Start introducing a responsibility in the walks now-carrying the ball/toy etc to play with once you get to wherever you're going.
Are you caging/kennelling? If not start. Any chewing toys, only in the cage or kennel. Anything chewed outside the cage/kennel he gets a b
king.I'll let you decide what a b
king involves.The house is yours not his. He needs to know that boundary, I'd take anything in my house destroyed as a total liberty and discipline appropriately.
With mine, they always had their bit in the house. The hearthside rug or whatever. That's their bit of the house, where they were allowed to sit and no where else. For ref, I could put a tray with Sunday dinner on the floor and from 6 months old it wouldn't get touched.
If you want a base knowledge of how I trained watch Cesar Millan. This might sound like a cop out but he's been the only other person I've seen train (admittedly I wasn't really looking) exactly the same as me. It's nothing revolutionary but it was exactly the same techniques and tricks I used.
Not sure if he's even on the telly any more (I want to say it was on Dave about 15 years ago?) but he was good. He went for the pack leader theory, which totally works IMHO. My wife thought it made him predisposed to being more disobedient to her but I still maintained it was as she didn't follow the rules! And he really wasn't very disobedient towards her.
I've found with all three dogs we've had over my life you need to train the buggers hard and fast for the first 12 months and after that it's a breeze. Still keep on top of them but once the hard work's done it's done.
Don't forget the positive reinforcement!
Dogs are stupidly simple creatures, training them, although hard work is stupidly simple too.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
[...]
I've found with all three dogs we've had over my life you need to train the buggers hard and fast for the first 12 months and after that it's a breeze. Still keep on top of them but once the hard work's done it's done.
Don't forget the positive reinforcement!
[...]
Forgive my selective quote.. I read somewhere, and believe that the dog you have at 12 months will be the one you have for the rest of it's life.I've found with all three dogs we've had over my life you need to train the buggers hard and fast for the first 12 months and after that it's a breeze. Still keep on top of them but once the hard work's done it's done.
Don't forget the positive reinforcement!
[...]
Put the effort in in that first year, set the boundaries then, and the rest is easier.
Does the OP's dog get to go on the settee? Does he go upstairs?
Ours wasn't allowed onto the settee for about the first year. Now, we invite her up about every other night. She's sat next to me now, otherwise she'd be in her bed.
One last tip, don't try to wear him out. You won't be able to. Instead, teach him when it's time to relax, and how to do so.
It will get easier in time, but don't think it gets easier by magic. Good luck!
LaurasOtherHalf said:
You're doing more than most so well done for that. I'd drop the lunchtime play (or if possible add to it) another structured walk.
Start introducing a responsibility in the walks now-carrying the ball/toy etc to play with once you get to wherever you're going.
Are you caging/kennelling? If not start. Any chewing toys, only in the cage or kennel. Anything chewed outside the cage/kennel he gets a bking.
I'll let you decide what a bking involves.
The house is yours not his. He needs to know that boundary, I'd take anything in my house destroyed as a total liberty and discipline appropriately.
With mine, they always had their bit in the house. The hearthside rug or whatever. That's their bit of the house, where they were allowed to sit and no where else. For ref, I could put a tray with Sunday dinner on the floor and from 6 months old it wouldn't get touched.
If you want a base knowledge of how I trained watch Cesar Millan. This might sound like a cop out but he's been the only other person I've seen train (admittedly I wasn't really looking) exactly the same as me. It's nothing revolutionary but it was exactly the same techniques and tricks I used.
Not sure if he's even on the telly any more (I want to say it was on Dave about 15 years ago?) but he was good. He went for the pack leader theory, which totally works IMHO. My wife thought it made him predisposed to being more disobedient to her but I still maintained it was as she didn't follow the rules! And he really wasn't very disobedient towards her.
I've found with all three dogs we've had over my life you need to train the buggers hard and fast for the first 12 months and after that it's a breeze. Still keep on top of them but once the hard work's done it's done.
Don't forget the positive reinforcement!
Dogs are stupidly simple creatures, training them, although hard work is stupidly simple too.
We crated until 6 months but 4 spent 4 months getting up at 5am. Out of the crate he sleeps until 6:30 which works for all of us.Start introducing a responsibility in the walks now-carrying the ball/toy etc to play with once you get to wherever you're going.
Are you caging/kennelling? If not start. Any chewing toys, only in the cage or kennel. Anything chewed outside the cage/kennel he gets a b
king.I'll let you decide what a b
king involves.The house is yours not his. He needs to know that boundary, I'd take anything in my house destroyed as a total liberty and discipline appropriately.
With mine, they always had their bit in the house. The hearthside rug or whatever. That's their bit of the house, where they were allowed to sit and no where else. For ref, I could put a tray with Sunday dinner on the floor and from 6 months old it wouldn't get touched.
If you want a base knowledge of how I trained watch Cesar Millan. This might sound like a cop out but he's been the only other person I've seen train (admittedly I wasn't really looking) exactly the same as me. It's nothing revolutionary but it was exactly the same techniques and tricks I used.
Not sure if he's even on the telly any more (I want to say it was on Dave about 15 years ago?) but he was good. He went for the pack leader theory, which totally works IMHO. My wife thought it made him predisposed to being more disobedient to her but I still maintained it was as she didn't follow the rules! And he really wasn't very disobedient towards her.
I've found with all three dogs we've had over my life you need to train the buggers hard and fast for the first 12 months and after that it's a breeze. Still keep on top of them but once the hard work's done it's done.
Don't forget the positive reinforcement!
Dogs are stupidly simple creatures, training them, although hard work is stupidly simple too.
Will have a look at the videos thanks for the tips.
Chester draws said:
Forgive my selective quote.. I read somewhere, and believe that the dog you have at 12 months will be the one you have for the rest of it's life.
Put the effort in in that first year, set the boundaries then, and the rest is easier.
Does the OP's dog get to go on the settee? Does he go upstairs?
Ours wasn't allowed onto the settee for about the first year. Now, we invite her up about every other night. She's sat next to me now, otherwise she'd be in her bed.
One last tip, don't try to wear him out. You won't be able to. Instead, teach him when it's time to relax, and how to do so.
It will get easier in time, but don't think it gets easier by magic. Good luck!
Yes he is allowed on the settee but he isn’t allowed upstairs and has never been, just sits on the bottom step.Put the effort in in that first year, set the boundaries then, and the rest is easier.
Does the OP's dog get to go on the settee? Does he go upstairs?
Ours wasn't allowed onto the settee for about the first year. Now, we invite her up about every other night. She's sat next to me now, otherwise she'd be in her bed.
One last tip, don't try to wear him out. You won't be able to. Instead, teach him when it's time to relax, and how to do so.
It will get easier in time, but don't think it gets easier by magic. Good luck!
He isn’t far off. He isn’t terrible but I have grown up with 2 out of 3 very very obedient retrievers so maybe making an unfair comparison for him.
He will get there, like I say this was just meant to be a vent.
Please don't follow any Cesar Millan training techniques. 'Pack theory' has also been debunked/renounced, most notably by the person who first promoted it.
For advice in the first instance, I would suggest contacting this PH member:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
For advice in the first instance, I would suggest contacting this PH member:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
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