Rottweiler leg amputation

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Howitzer

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2,854 posts

222 months

Saturday 26th December 2020
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Hi all,

Our Dog Flash had to have his left rear leg amputated 2 weeks ago. He was limping and holding his leg up, we thought it a strain as it had happened before. He is a very active dog, loves to run and jump and is great with other dogs. His absolute favourite thing is playing catch which sees him jumping pretty high. He was a lean 51kg and has been fed raw his whole life.
His diet was between 1.2 and 1.5kg of raw a day, nature’s menu mainly for ease of use. He was a big eater but has never been fat.

So, after being checked they couldn’t tell if it was a strain or a rupture so ended up going in for an x-ray. The bone on his ankle was nearly all black, maybe a couple of mm of white bone visible which was either a bad infection (unlikely) or cancer which is very likely. He is 6.5 years old.

So due to his bone being so thin on that leg taking a sample would make it even more prone to breaking. We decided to amputate.

The surgery went well, his wound healed nicely despite us not leaving a cone on him. Which is was very happy with, we just took it in turns to sleep downstairs with him till it had healed nicely.

Throughout the whole thing we struggled to get food into him. We were having to hand feed him and he went quite a few days with no food at all, that was heartbreaking as it was never an issue before and not something I thought he would struggle with.

We now believe he was depressed, no walks, no rough play while it was healing and before the surgery so he probably thought he was being punished in some way. He even snapped at me when I was trying to give him his medication as no amount of cheese, treats, bacon or biscuits would make him take it. He was very upset at having done that and I was too, he has been such a good dog and I fully expected him to bounce back quickly but that wasn’t the case.

Now I want to get him back to his old self, chasing a ball, carrying his saddle bags of dog food (though not as heavy) and generally getting him back into his old routine till either the cancer attacks his lungs, liver etc or we find out it was in fact a bad infection. Either way I won’t fanny about with him, he needs to feel like he did, just a bit slower with a leg removed.

So, I’ve looked at the Yumove supliments which I will try, he already had salmon oil, raw eggs, eggshells, various goodies within his meals etc.

A colleague also used something called Bullymix, it was for an old Staffie which was losing weight with age and this made a big difference and seemed to drop a few years off her.

So now that my mumble mess of a post is over, does anyone have any recommendations to get a large muscular dog back to his old fitness/ strength after an amputation ? I certainly don’t want to go too far but also we may not have long left with him so want to make him as happy and active as possible before the choice is made for us.

This was him the morning of the operation, I’m done feeling bad for him, I want him to be our old Flash again.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/nj1cpy0vetsgtkr/Photo%20...

Dave!

Edited by Howitzer on Saturday 26th December 16:40

garythesign

2,233 posts

94 months

Saturday 26th December 2020
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That was a tough read.

I think ‘The Vet’ on here is a Rottie owner so hopefully he will be able to offer advice.

Hope things work out for you and your mate.

moorx

3,759 posts

120 months

Saturday 26th December 2020
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We went through this a few years ago with one of our greyhounds, Dylan. That was a front leg amputation, so a bit different, but he was certainly large and muscular.

He took a while to recover and particularly to get used to making the transition from lying down to standing without the extra leg for purchase. We helped that by making him a bed cushion out of memory foam, which was firmer.

Once he was up and about, it was his walks with our other dogs he seemed to enjoy most (even if we had our hearts in our mouths when he started to run).

Do you have other dogs he could exercise with, or have friends with dogs?

Best of luck smile

mike74

3,687 posts

138 months

Saturday 26th December 2020
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Unless I'm misreading it, it sounds to me like you're rushing things a bit and seem to be expecting him to make an almost a full recovery?

Surely one of those harnesses would be essential to support and help take the weight of his back end, at least for now if not permanently?.

I'd be surprised if such a big, heavy, middle aged dog would ever get back to full mobility i.e. running and jumping around after losing a back leg, I would have thought for the rest of his life he needs to take it easy with steady on-lead walks supported with a harness to help preserve and prevent excess stress on his hips and remaining back leg?

Howitzer

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2,854 posts

222 months

Saturday 26th December 2020
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He used to get walked once a week in a pack of dogs by a dog Walker, it was hisnorganised playtime as normally on the field he is fully focused on his ball.

I get what you mean about slow on lead walks but it’s not what he enjoys. He needs to get going again. He is a strong dog and ran well so I’m hoping he can slowly build his stabilising muscles in his right leg and be able to run aswel as expected.

He pulls hard on a lead at the minute with one leg and seems to be stable, it’s when he goes for a pooh he has a wobble due to the balance.

Maybe I’m being too optimistic but he was so strong and healthy before it’s horrible seeing an overnight change. He didn’t have a chance to slow as he aged.

Dave!

mike74

3,687 posts

138 months

Saturday 26th December 2020
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Our flattie has always enjoyed very vigorous exercise, scrambling through undergrowth looking for his ball or playing with other dogs or very energetic games of tug, but at 12 now his back legs are in a bad way so we have to restrict him to sedate walks with no ball chasing or playing with other dogs, despite him still wanting and trying to do these things.

One way I've found to replace the enjoyment and exercise and stimulation he used to get on walks is to have lots of rough play with him whilst he's lying down at home, that way he still gets to enjoy play fighting and games of tug etc without the stress on his hips and back legs.

HTP99

23,134 posts

146 months

Saturday 26th December 2020
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mike74 said:
Unless I'm misreading it, it sounds to me like you're rushing things a bit and seem to be expecting him to make an almost a full recovery?

Surely one of those harnesses would be essential to support and help take the weight of his back end, at least for now if not permanently?.

I'd be surprised if such a big, heavy, middle aged dog would ever get back to full mobility i.e. running and jumping around after losing a back leg, I would have thought for the rest of his life he needs to take it easy with steady on-lead walks supported with a harness to help preserve and prevent excess stress on his hips and remaining back leg?
This, take it easy, Flash has had a big change to his life, he'll get there but don't push it, otherwise you could end up with more problems.

Dogs are great at adapting to less limbs, don't push it, don't stress over it either, he will pick up on it.


Edited by HTP99 on Saturday 26th December 19:36


Edited by HTP99 on Sunday 27th December 10:29

Enut

798 posts

79 months

Saturday 26th December 2020
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Having a leg amputated is a big change for a dog, no one told him it was going to happen or warned him of the difficulties, he simply had a sleep, woke up and his leg was gone, now he struggles to do all the things that came naturally to him.

Two weeks is nothing, he will hopefully be back to his old self in a couple of months, dogs are wonderful at adapting if you give them a little time.

Thevet

1,798 posts

239 months

Sunday 27th December 2020
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Most of what has been said is very true, big fhange (massive, think how long you would be in hospital and therapy) usually dogs are much more resilient than us and do bounce back verywell, however, this is not the case for you. It may just be a matter of time and TLC, but what else could it be? some dogs fell "ghost" limbs after amputation, even try to chew at them , which must be very confusing. Pain? well it's certainly going to be sore but should subside steadily, painkillers such as metacam maybe less helpful than usual as they can upset dog tums, maybe try pardale (paracetamol based). Psychological? this has to be a high probability of the cause, but how to address that? My old mate was absolutely fixated by being on my company, at first would panic when he couldn't see me, so strange for such a happy confident Rott, but size is no barrier to mental probelms. I would advise being as consistent as poss with his old routine, try to avoid the bad bits like dosing with meds ( imposs for some post op stuff ) you've obviously tried the bribery route, may be ask the vet for injectable meds?
As the painful bit of leg has now gone and the wound is highup, try getting back to some exercise as soon as poss, maybe with some lead control to avoid too muc boisterous behaviour from him or others.
If appetite doesn't return very soon, discuss with your vet, ask about a shot of steroids, no doubt they will say this delays healing but a single dose will absolutely zilch effect on healing and can stimulate appetite and reduce inflammation.
Wish there was a simple answer but best is to treat your pal as your friend, what would you like? Weight will almost certainly come back with time, so get the leg healed and try to find the good bits to stimulate him.
Hope that helps a bit, and he is a lovely looking fella.

BoggoStump

317 posts

55 months

Sunday 27th December 2020
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What are you feeding him?

Can try, chicken and rice, cottage cheese, raw whisked egg, scrambled egg, normal dog food, tinned dog food.


Howitzer

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2,854 posts

222 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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So a bit of a stark change in him....

He is finally eating the same as before, he had a frozen duck neck and then a mix of poultry heart, lamb and chicken mince, raw egg and shell and some salmon oil. Wolfed that down in about 2 minutes.

He had been off meds for over a week but I decided to take him for a normal walk that day. His back leg is aching but his temperament is where it once was. He even did his cheeky test thing of coming back when I called him but making sure he went the long way.

He had a dog try and dominate him after sniffing his stump and he spun around and barked him away which is nice to see. A little part of me was worried he would be too timid.

I really think he was just depressed/ feeling sorry for himself and a good walk sorted him out. I’m going to keep an eye on his weight and will try to keep him at about 50kg and just keep going with his walks and slowly introduce his ball.

I’ve always been absolutely fine with putting him down as I knew I could make the right decision. Seeing him change so much when going through what he did though really knocked me back.

I know I ask too much of him at times but he has always delivered so when his drive went I turned into an overly worried parent and I bloody hate those laugh

Thanks for all the replies, it helps to stop me being so woe is me!!

Dave!

Algarve

2,102 posts

87 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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I've got a 3 legged dog at home called Kay:



It doesn't really affect her day to day life that much, other than she doesn't walk as far as she used to. I make sure to keep on top of her diet, supplements and make sure she maintains a good weight. When I adopted her she had 4 legs, she quickly needed an operation to try and fix one of them. Several months of what seemed to be successful rehab then she got cancer in the leg unrelated to the operation and the leg was immediately whipped off laugh Hindsight I know but I wish I just took the bloody leg off to start.

She ended up busting her now sole rear leg and ended up in a wheelchair / Childs pram whilst recovering from that. I would definitely be careful with diet, exercise and so on as losing one leg isn't that big of a deal for the dogs but losing 2 would be.

The dog I had before Kay was Happy, she ended up going 3 leg mode too, but a front leg on this one. She was running up and down the street in front of the vets 3 hours after having the leg off. But she'd already given up on using the leg to walk with so it just seemed to give her a new lease of life having the painful bag of meat hanging off her, gone.

Happy being collected from vet after the op:



She done brilliantly with the 3 legs then died of something unrelated months later. She recovered so quick though, it was nice to see her acting like a puppy again for a few months before she did check out.

To be honest I think I worried about the 3 leg situation far more than either Kay or Happy did laugh


Thevet

1,798 posts

239 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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Howitzer said:
So a bit of a stark change in him....

He is finally eating the same as before, he had a frozen duck neck and then a mix of poultry heart, lamb and chicken mince, raw egg and shell and some salmon oil. Wolfed that down in about 2 minutes.

He had been off meds for over a week but I decided to take him for a normal walk that day. His back leg is aching but his temperament is where it once was. He even did his cheeky test thing of coming back when I called him but making sure he went the long way.

He had a dog try and dominate him after sniffing his stump and he spun around and barked him away which is nice to see. A little part of me was worried he would be too timid.

I really think he was just depressed/ feeling sorry for himself and a good walk sorted him out. I’m going to keep an eye on his weight and will try to keep him at about 50kg and just keep going with his walks and slowly introduce his ball.

I’ve always been absolutely fine with putting him down as I knew I could make the right decision. Seeing him change so much when going through what he did though really knocked me back.

I know I ask too much of him at times but he has always delivered so when his drive went I turned into an overly worried parent and I bloody hate those laugh

Thanks for all the replies, it helps to stop me being so woe is me!!

Dave!
That's good news phew

parakitaMol.

11,876 posts

257 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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It's such a huge surgery but agree with what has been said so far. I train 2 tri paws, one who had a congenital defect and the other lost in an accident. Both cope brilliantly. But it took time with the one who lost his leg.

I am not a vet but having been through really complex surgery/recovery periods with my own guys there are three things I would mention in case they help you and your dog too smile .

Firstly is pain, pain is complex and pain management can also be complex. Dogs mask pain very well but it may come out in their behaviour. Pain memory in dogs goes very deep for a reason, to keep them safe. So always watch out for any behaviour changes no matter how slight as that will be your first (and possibly the only sign) and ask speak to a pain specialist. Speaking from personal experience here; one of mine lived with an undiagnosed pain for a year (we tried so hard to find it and could only see it in the behaviour), there are several different types of pain relief for different pain types (eg for muscular, neuro, general etc. etc). This is so so important I cannot stress - it can take years to recover from the memory of needing to 'guard' a pain - the longer they feel in pain the deeper the memory goes. To some degrees feeling generally vulnerable would also apply here. Personally I don't let my guys meet other unfamiliar dogs when they are recovering - too much can go wrong - but that's up to you.

Secondly, full recovery can be a really long process and is often better when taken slow and steady. A decent vet physio or vet rehab specialist can really do wonders here and identify and address any referred pain or strains that arises from compensating. There is lots that daily physio can achieve! A massage therapist might also be really worthwhile as the loss of limb can cause strain in the opposite front - especially with a heavy dog. You can also look at Laser and Acupuncture - my vet is a specialist and I have seen it work in 3 of my dogs! Laser can help with healing and seems to work best with the acute stage - acupuncture can help with many things.

Maybe consider a nutritionist for looking at supplements specific for your dog. My guys have all done this and it has made a difference (despite my reservations!). My guys have Nettle, Lemon Balm, Chamomile, Black Seed Oil, Hemp Oil, Rosehip and Tumeric. Plus Yumove. If you want details of a specialist nutritionist you are welcome to PM me.

My eldest has had 2 neurosurgeries a total of 8 discs across all sections of his spine, my middle one has had complex long term pain issues with bicep tendonitis, my 3rd has on/off lumbar pain which we control with acupuncture, massage and meds. And my poor baby youngest has had the most awful awful year, horrible complex leg surgery, rehab rehab rehab then complications with pins/inflammation, then surgical failure, repeat surgery, rehab rehab rehab we have done absolutely nothing but manage his physical and emotional wellbeing since March this year.


I wish you every good luck to your dog, it will get better smile


If you (or anyone else) want to look at these areas I would suggest

Vet Physio
https://www.notion.so/IRVAP-Find-a-Therapist-62f77...

Sport Dog Nutrition
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2341185262818548

Hydrotherapy
No central list - but suggest a minimum of Level 3 or Level 4 Hydrotherapy course + a relevant Physio qualification

Acupuncture
If your vet does not know a specialist I would recommend finding a Vet practitioner who has additional "Acup Cert Vet Acup (IVAS)" on their bio

Laser
As your vet if they can recommend someone qualified to practice MLS laser therapy



Edited by parakitaMol. on Tuesday 29th December 13:01

Howitzer

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2,854 posts

222 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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An excellent post and lots for me to take in.

We have a dog hydrotherapy right next to the vets so will go there with him. It’s good to know what we require from them though so it’s not a glorified swim session.

The supliments will be a big thing I think as all the small balancing muscles he never really used need to strengthen.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y1mjehwb7susc0l/Video%20...

No more whining from me, it’ll only be positive updates from now I hope.

Dave!

moorx

3,759 posts

120 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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Glad to hear things are looking more positive. Keep us updated smile

Thevet

1,798 posts

239 months

Thursday 7th January 2021
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any news on how its going?

Howitzer

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2,854 posts

222 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Not good news sadly, he was doing well and his walks were going ok, then Last week woke up with a limp on his front left leg. Didn’t notice any issues on his walk the evening before and was happy and mobile before bed.

He is on anti-inflammatory meds again and more rest, just holds his leg the same as the back before we found the cancer.

We had the leg results back and it was confirmed as cancer aswell.

We are getting an x-ray on Monday and hoping for a positive find but the boy just wants to be out and about. We will also discuss fighting the cancer and will start as soon as we confirm there is nothing on his front left leg.

I’m away with work at the minute but if he needs even more rest then I’ll be carrying the poor sod about in a Bergen so he can get some sniffing done 😂

Dave!

moorx

3,759 posts

120 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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frown

That's what happened with Dylan, unfortunately.

Hope you have a better outcome, will keep my fingers crossed.

parakitaMol.

11,876 posts

257 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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I’m so sorry that’s so worrying, poor thing, I hope the front is just the strain from offloading and nothing worse. Good luck with the cancer treatment