Cyclist problems
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I've put a post on SP&L, but all I've seen is the usual PH lot.
I( and other dog owners/walkers) are seeing more and more cycle louts abusing footpaths. yesterday my lass was hit by a cycle who was IMHO riding without due care ( he failed to stop before he hit my dog). Now I have a very nervous dog on walks, where she's looking behind constantly.
previous to this she was a normal behaved dog. Then one day a little girl almost hit her with a bike. Now any little girl on a bike is seen as a threat and dog goes into a fear syndrome. It's now got that bad, that even the little girls that want to meet & greet are met with fear and if dog is near car, she will try to go under car than meet the girl. With her own kids, Lexi is a normal dog. But I'm at a loss as how to get her back into society. Since her encountr with a large dog attack a few months ago, she retreats from any older dog bouncy contact. With pups, there's no problem. With her dog friends, who she meets & greets, again no problem.
I( and other dog owners/walkers) are seeing more and more cycle louts abusing footpaths. yesterday my lass was hit by a cycle who was IMHO riding without due care ( he failed to stop before he hit my dog). Now I have a very nervous dog on walks, where she's looking behind constantly.
previous to this she was a normal behaved dog. Then one day a little girl almost hit her with a bike. Now any little girl on a bike is seen as a threat and dog goes into a fear syndrome. It's now got that bad, that even the little girls that want to meet & greet are met with fear and if dog is near car, she will try to go under car than meet the girl. With her own kids, Lexi is a normal dog. But I'm at a loss as how to get her back into society. Since her encountr with a large dog attack a few months ago, she retreats from any older dog bouncy contact. With pups, there's no problem. With her dog friends, who she meets & greets, again no problem.
Who me said:
I've put a post on SP&L, but all I've seen is the usual PH lot.
I( and other dog owners/walkers) are seeing more and more cycle louts abusing footpaths. yesterday my lass was hit by a cycle who was IMHO riding without due care ( he failed to stop before he hit my dog). Now I have a very nervous dog on walks, where she's looking behind constantly.
previous to this she was a normal behaved dog. Then one day a little girl almost hit her with a bike. Now any little girl on a bike is seen as a threat and dog goes into a fear syndrome. It's now got that bad, that even the little girls that want to meet & greet are met with fear and if dog is near car, she will try to go under car than meet the girl. With her own kids, Lexi is a normal dog. But I'm at a loss as how to get her back into society. Since her encountr with a large dog attack a few months ago, she retreats from any older dog bouncy contact. With pups, there's no problem. With her dog friends, who she meets & greets, again no problem.
What are you asking?I( and other dog owners/walkers) are seeing more and more cycle louts abusing footpaths. yesterday my lass was hit by a cycle who was IMHO riding without due care ( he failed to stop before he hit my dog). Now I have a very nervous dog on walks, where she's looking behind constantly.
previous to this she was a normal behaved dog. Then one day a little girl almost hit her with a bike. Now any little girl on a bike is seen as a threat and dog goes into a fear syndrome. It's now got that bad, that even the little girls that want to meet & greet are met with fear and if dog is near car, she will try to go under car than meet the girl. With her own kids, Lexi is a normal dog. But I'm at a loss as how to get her back into society. Since her encountr with a large dog attack a few months ago, she retreats from any older dog bouncy contact. With pups, there's no problem. With her dog friends, who she meets & greets, again no problem.
Edited by S100HP on Sunday 2nd February 22:56
Where are you OP. If in Scotland cycling is legal on most footpaths. But not footways, the pavement alongside roads.
That aside it would appear the criminal offences of careless or dangerous cycling only apply to roads. So if on a footpath rather than footway there be no be any careless/dangerous offences.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I...
That said many places have local bylaws dealing with cycling in certain places.
Regardless of any criminal laws there could be civil liability but tricky to go anywhere if you don't know who the cyclist is.
Devils advocate - the mere fact a cyclist hit you dog doesn't mean careless cycling. Depends on the cyclists speed and where you dog was off lead and changed direction into the path of the cyclist. If a cyclist slows to near walking speed passing dogs on a shared path there isn't much more they can do.
That aside it would appear the criminal offences of careless or dangerous cycling only apply to roads. So if on a footpath rather than footway there be no be any careless/dangerous offences.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I...
That said many places have local bylaws dealing with cycling in certain places.
Regardless of any criminal laws there could be civil liability but tricky to go anywhere if you don't know who the cyclist is.
Devils advocate - the mere fact a cyclist hit you dog doesn't mean careless cycling. Depends on the cyclists speed and where you dog was off lead and changed direction into the path of the cyclist. If a cyclist slows to near walking speed passing dogs on a shared path there isn't much more they can do.
OP, In your other thread you said it was a park. Now it is footpath. Obviously that may make a difference to who is responsible. However, either way, I am not sure what you expect whoever is responsible to do?
Possibly have a word at the police station and if they are not too busy / under staffed, they may be able to ask an officer to spend a shift in the area and have a quiet word with the cyclists?
Or write to the council or your MP and see what they suggest? If it really is a serious antisocial problem it may be possible to deter cyclists by means of gates etc. However, depending where it is, it may be that cyclists have just as much right to be there as dog walkers.
Anyway, it would seem that your dog has had a bad time recently. Attacked by another dog, scared by a girl on a bike and now hit by a cyclist. You said your dog was off the lead at the time of the cyclist incident. Would it be an idea to keep the dog on the lead when walking in this area? That way, if you see danger coming you have the dog close to you and will be better placed to protect it.
Of course it will be possible to build the confidence of your dog over time and I am sure that she will return to her old self. My wife is a canine psychologist and deals with this sort of thing all the time. As I said in your other thread, drop me a pm if you are concerned about the welfare of your dog and would like help building its confidence. Or look for a local dog psychologist in your area, who should be able to help.
Edited for gelling and spammer, and also to add that I am both a cyclist and one of the usual PH lot, but please don't tar us all with the same brush.
Possibly have a word at the police station and if they are not too busy / under staffed, they may be able to ask an officer to spend a shift in the area and have a quiet word with the cyclists?
Or write to the council or your MP and see what they suggest? If it really is a serious antisocial problem it may be possible to deter cyclists by means of gates etc. However, depending where it is, it may be that cyclists have just as much right to be there as dog walkers.
Anyway, it would seem that your dog has had a bad time recently. Attacked by another dog, scared by a girl on a bike and now hit by a cyclist. You said your dog was off the lead at the time of the cyclist incident. Would it be an idea to keep the dog on the lead when walking in this area? That way, if you see danger coming you have the dog close to you and will be better placed to protect it.
Of course it will be possible to build the confidence of your dog over time and I am sure that she will return to her old self. My wife is a canine psychologist and deals with this sort of thing all the time. As I said in your other thread, drop me a pm if you are concerned about the welfare of your dog and would like help building its confidence. Or look for a local dog psychologist in your area, who should be able to help.
Edited for gelling and spammer, and also to add that I am both a cyclist and one of the usual PH lot, but please don't tar us all with the same brush.
Edited by BIG DUNC on Sunday 9th February 06:31
Edited by BIG DUNC on Sunday 9th February 07:51
Couple of things here, first off a little girl almost hit your dog, so she didn't hit it and regardless of whether it was a path, shared path or park, it was a child let it go.
Secondly, rule 56 of the highway code states
- Keep your dog on a short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists or horse riders.
Was your dog on a short lead at the time?
Secondly, rule 56 of the highway code states
- Keep your dog on a short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists or horse riders.
Was your dog on a short lead at the time?
[quote=Who me ?]I've put a post on SP&L, but all I've seen is the usual PH lot.
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No, you started s thread that made little sense on first reading.
amongst all the replies there was some suggestions of what to do.
All this thread does is add more confusion to your posts.
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No, you started s thread that made little sense on first reading.
amongst all the replies there was some suggestions of what to do.
All this thread does is add more confusion to your posts.
Edited by Drumroll on Sunday 9th February 11:20
Edited by Drumroll on Sunday 9th February 11:20
lllnorrislll said:
Couple of things here, first off a little girl almost hit your dog, so she didn't hit it and regardless of whether it was a path, shared path or park, it was a child let it go.
Secondly, rule 56 of the highway code states
- Keep your dog on a short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists or horse riders.
Was your dog on a short lead at the time?
According to them in their other threadSecondly, rule 56 of the highway code states
- Keep your dog on a short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists or horse riders.
Was your dog on a short lead at the time?
"Dod was in fact walking to hell beside Swimbo in first case and not lead. The first rider was coming toward us texting,untill I made him aware of our presence and th dog moved betweem the scooter and a fence meaning that the cyclist ( who was riding without full control) was nearer me. We had to shout to make him aware of our presence."
Wonder what byelaws there are for the park is respect of dogs on leads?
Be an idea to see if there are any boards at the entrances to the park giving the byelaws & if so the council would be the first point of call.
Edited by paintman on Sunday 9th February 11:48
Drumroll said:
[quote=Who me ?]I've put a post on SP&L, but all I've seen is the usual PH lot.
No, you started s thread that made little sense on first reading.amongst all the replies there was some suggestions of what to do.
All this thread does is add more confusion to your posts.
Edited by Drumroll on Sunday 9th February 11:20
Edited by Drumroll on Sunday 9th February 11:20
I can't really add anymore to this thread except to consider a decent behaviourist if the fear reaction is reallly getting that bad and maybe avoid trigger areas until that is done. Proving your dog wasn't at fault of causing an incident especially when off lead is always going to be a difficult one to resolve.
BEX- case is in hand, as a lot of other dog owners in this park have joined the protest and the other folks are making councillors aware of the yob cyclist problem .( For the genuine cyclists- they are aware of small dogs and always make us aware of their prescence) The park is split into two parts- one marked as NO CYCLING and the other split between cyclists and walkers. At the moment we walk Lexi in the morning, when the park is almost empty and she can socialise with her dog friends. And in the afternoon we go to a smaller park . Another problem we have is that Lexi was abused ( I suspect)by her male littermate, and sees any male excess attention as abuse and reacts. on one occasion, she rejected the advances of a Weimarer and needed treatment. She'd already had a fright with a child on a cycle, and now this latest fright from a group of cyclists has made her fearful of any person/thing coming from behind. Today, she decided that she'd rather ride on my mobility scooter than worry about other folks. I knew when I rescued her that I had a very timid fearful dog to give confidence to. I & she were getting there, she was making a lot of dog friends and getting confidence.
You are aware that you don't actually own this park ?.
Cyclists have as much right to use it as you, and without fear of loose dogs running under their wheels and potentially injuring riders.
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&...
Cyclists have as much right to use it as you, and without fear of loose dogs running under their wheels and potentially injuring riders.
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&...
Edited by Brads67 on Tuesday 11th February 00:13
Brads67 said:
You are aware that you don't actually own this park ?.
Cyclists have as much right to use it as you, and without fear of loose dogs running under their wheels and potentially injuring riders.
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&...
Same cyclists that run red lights and want motorists to pass with a lot of room. Then we find a group /single cyclists in park, who ignore "NO CYCLING SIGNS" and ignore the protocol set up by the council that one side of park is mixed cyclists ,whilst other part is no cycling. It's not the dogs which cause the problems in this part, but the myopic cyclists who blatantly ignore the signs and then barrel into a group ( an in this case it consisted of a few toddlers, with my dog). The cyclists had no place to go and at their speed could not stop in the distance they could see to be clear. I think the law defines it as "careless and inconsiderate cycling". Cyclist might have the right to use, but only where cycling is permitted, something a lot of cyclists seem to ignore. Cyclists have as much right to use it as you, and without fear of loose dogs running under their wheels and potentially injuring riders.
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&...
Edited by Brads67 on Tuesday 11th February 00:13
[quote=Who me ?]
Same cyclists that run red lights and want motorists to pass with a lot of room. Then we find a group /single cyclists in park, who ignore "NO CYCLING SIGNS" and ignore the protocol set up by the council that one side of park is mixed cyclists ,whilst other part is no cycling. It's not the dogs which cause the problems in this part, but the myopic cyclists who blatantly ignore the signs and then barrel into a group ( an in this case it consisted of a few toddlers, with my dog). The cyclists had no place to go and at their speed could not stop in the distance they could see to be clear. I think the law defines it as "careless and inconsiderate cycling". Cyclist might have the right to use, but only where cycling is permitted, something a lot of cyclists seem to ignore.
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Was it a big group of little girls ?
Same cyclists that run red lights and want motorists to pass with a lot of room. Then we find a group /single cyclists in park, who ignore "NO CYCLING SIGNS" and ignore the protocol set up by the council that one side of park is mixed cyclists ,whilst other part is no cycling. It's not the dogs which cause the problems in this part, but the myopic cyclists who blatantly ignore the signs and then barrel into a group ( an in this case it consisted of a few toddlers, with my dog). The cyclists had no place to go and at their speed could not stop in the distance they could see to be clear. I think the law defines it as "careless and inconsiderate cycling". Cyclist might have the right to use, but only where cycling is permitted, something a lot of cyclists seem to ignore.
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Was it a big group of little girls ?
It was a group of 4-5 teenage boys who from face of it decided to have a race , ignoring the fact that the paths on that side of the park carry "no cycling " notices . Add to that ( unless they had eyesight problems ) the objects in their path were a group of pedestrians, of all ages, including one toddler .
But I've just noticed time of last post- perhaps you should have not had that last drink ,Brad ?
But I've just noticed time of last post- perhaps you should have not had that last drink ,Brad ?
bexVN said:
This is how who me? has always written tbh and I have usually found the need to reread their posts at least to understand them . I remember them being a prolific poster in this forum (like me!) for a long time but then seemed to vanish. But when I saw a post of theirs a few weeks ago I recognised the writing style straight away!
I can't really add anymore to this thread except to consider a decent behaviourist if the fear reaction is reallly getting that bad and maybe avoid trigger areas until that is done. Proving your dog wasn't at fault of causing an incident especially when off lead is always going to be a difficult one to resolve.
Bex- fear reaction in that park is extreme with folk around. Dog is not happy, so we're limiting distance in that park till things improve. It's a culmination of her being attacked by a large dog and now fear of cycles. We've found that her second walk is best taken in a different park, where she's a lot happier meeting large dogs /strange folks and the odd cycle. I can't really add anymore to this thread except to consider a decent behaviourist if the fear reaction is reallly getting that bad and maybe avoid trigger areas until that is done. Proving your dog wasn't at fault of causing an incident especially when off lead is always going to be a difficult one to resolve.
On the cyclist side, a lot of other dog owners have seen her fear with cycles and our local councillors are now receiving a lot of complaints over cyclists, using the Non cycling side of the park in an anti socialist way. Lexi is a great favourite with other dog owners and their dogs but she's come from a background of fear , started to recover and because of thoughtless folk retreated into her shell.
[quote=Who me ?]It was a group of 4-5 teenage boys who from face of it decided to have a race , ignoring the fact that the paths on that side of the park carry "no cycling " notices . Add to that ( unless they had eyesight problems ) the objects in their path were a group of pedestrians, of all ages, including one toddler .
But I've just noticed time of last post- perhaps you should have not had that last drink ,Brad ?
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Drink ?
Do you usually try to deflect when people do not agree with you ?
Small men eh?
But I've just noticed time of last post- perhaps you should have not had that last drink ,Brad ?
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Drink ?
Do you usually try to deflect when people do not agree with you ?
Small men eh?
Brads67 said:
You are aware that you don't actually own this park ?.
Cyclists have as much right to use it as you, and without fear of loose dogs running under their wheels and potentially injuring riders.
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&...
But they have no responsibility when they injure a dog carelessly? Cyclists have as much right to use it as you, and without fear of loose dogs running under their wheels and potentially injuring riders.
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&...
Edited by Brads67 on Tuesday 11th February 00:13
Funny how cyclists always get a pass.
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