Dead dog in bin - what to do
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This actually happened a few years ago, but memories brought back by a friend recently deciding that was the best way to give their furry friend the final send-off.
I come home from work one day, park up on the drive and as it is bin day the following day, get the bin from it's "corner" next to the road and put it out at the regulation "edge of the road" our dusties insist upon.
God that is heavy I thought as I dragged it out (being single and managing to recycle I'd usually only have a bag every two weeks). I look inside and there is a brown sheepdog sized mogrel, quite obviously dead, I'll not go into details but it was more parts of a dog, floating in dog body fluids rather than an intact dog. Suspect run over on single track road after running out and driver hid evidence.
So rang the vets our cat was at to ask what to do. "Oh bring it in to us" they told me, explained how it might be micro-chipped and they can try and find the owner "oh, and by the way if we can't find the owner you'll be liable for chipping fee and disposal costs". Errm, how much. Not my dog, OK I'll ring the council.
So I ring the council, who pass me to the RSPCA who ask if they could pop round in an hour. Sure I said, but I'm not going to be in, you could come and getthe dog as the bin is out. Oh, will you be in Wednesday. Yep I get back from work around 3pm. See you then.
Next day, 10 am at work, I remember having put the bin out, because of course it was bin day. Yep got home, empty, bloodied smelly bin, but no dog. RSPCA weren't impressed, but giving a vet threatening to charge me £200 fees for an animal that wasn't mine and nowhere to put animal remain in the house what would you have done?
I come home from work one day, park up on the drive and as it is bin day the following day, get the bin from it's "corner" next to the road and put it out at the regulation "edge of the road" our dusties insist upon.
God that is heavy I thought as I dragged it out (being single and managing to recycle I'd usually only have a bag every two weeks). I look inside and there is a brown sheepdog sized mogrel, quite obviously dead, I'll not go into details but it was more parts of a dog, floating in dog body fluids rather than an intact dog. Suspect run over on single track road after running out and driver hid evidence.
So rang the vets our cat was at to ask what to do. "Oh bring it in to us" they told me, explained how it might be micro-chipped and they can try and find the owner "oh, and by the way if we can't find the owner you'll be liable for chipping fee and disposal costs". Errm, how much. Not my dog, OK I'll ring the council.
So I ring the council, who pass me to the RSPCA who ask if they could pop round in an hour. Sure I said, but I'm not going to be in, you could come and getthe dog as the bin is out. Oh, will you be in Wednesday. Yep I get back from work around 3pm. See you then.
Next day, 10 am at work, I remember having put the bin out, because of course it was bin day. Yep got home, empty, bloodied smelly bin, but no dog. RSPCA weren't impressed, but giving a vet threatening to charge me £200 fees for an animal that wasn't mine and nowhere to put animal remain in the house what would you have done?
That's bonkers about the vet. I've done it once before for a cat I found still twitching in the road, dropped it off at my local emergency vet without a 2nd thought after chapping on the door of the house adjacent to ask if they knew the owner.
Will need to remember if I do that again to make a point that I don't have my wallet or any ID on me if asked to leave my own details/pay.
Will need to remember if I do that again to make a point that I don't have my wallet or any ID on me if asked to leave my own details/pay.
Hmm, visions of 5ft 4in tall Stan leaning into a quasi liquefied cannine over the edge of his wheelie bin trying to locate chip and falling in head first.
Glad I didn't choose that option.
I'm not all no heart, many years before this instance a bus coming the other way hit a cat running across the road and obviously stunned it unconscious, looked bad as it was bleeding from above its head, but still I got my "snow emergency car blanket" out, wrapped it in that and put it in a box in the boot to take to the local vets (no collar on cat). Got the vets, went in, explained, didn't get any s
t about costs, went out to the car, opened boot and watched said cat jump out, meowll furiously and run straight across the dual carriageway off into the woods. So I've probably cat-napped that poor animal four miles, two canals a motorway and a rail line away from it's home.
Glad I didn't choose that option.
I'm not all no heart, many years before this instance a bus coming the other way hit a cat running across the road and obviously stunned it unconscious, looked bad as it was bleeding from above its head, but still I got my "snow emergency car blanket" out, wrapped it in that and put it in a box in the boot to take to the local vets (no collar on cat). Got the vets, went in, explained, didn't get any s
t about costs, went out to the car, opened boot and watched said cat jump out, meowll furiously and run straight across the dual carriageway off into the woods. So I've probably cat-napped that poor animal four miles, two canals a motorway and a rail line away from it's home.Would you empty abatoir grade waste mixed with two week old food waste into another receptacle and drive 7 miles to your local tip?
Our tip used to say "no dogs, no b****s, no I***h" so not allowed (even in the mid 2000s though I think this was the PC way of saying no gypsies)..
All my legitimate pets that have died I've always buried under a tree in my garden.
Keeps the ideas coming. Later on there is the story of the cat, the RSPCA, a potential bill and the emergency services and 40 cups of tea. But I'll see if anyone gets another answer I could have done re the dog.
Our tip used to say "no dogs, no b****s, no I***h" so not allowed (even in the mid 2000s though I think this was the PC way of saying no gypsies)..
All my legitimate pets that have died I've always buried under a tree in my garden.
Keeps the ideas coming. Later on there is the story of the cat, the RSPCA, a potential bill and the emergency services and 40 cups of tea. But I'll see if anyone gets another answer I could have done re the dog.
Algarve said:
Its a bit selfish dumping a corpse on a vet like that - I assume you realise they themselves need to pay for them to be collected and disposed of?
You could bag it up and have the vet chip check it, which won't cost you anything, then take it away again and put it back in your bin.
That is one side of it, but at the same time, I think having a such a charge would discourage good samaritans coming forward to potentially give some closure to a missing family pet, particularly a charge as high was £200 seems almost punitive more than simply covering costs.You could bag it up and have the vet chip check it, which won't cost you anything, then take it away again and put it back in your bin.
a few years back the car in front ran over a jack russell and drove off,
we stopped, and moved it to the side of the road, it wasnt dead,
asked about, no one knew the dog, rang the RSPCA to be told " what are we supposed to do? ring a vet"
with that the dog died, left it on the grass for the owner to find with a note,
that was the day I stopped giving to the RSPCA,
never mind a couple of years back when they put down a mates lost dog as it was old and would be difficult to re home, didnt bother scanning it for the chip.
we stopped, and moved it to the side of the road, it wasnt dead,
asked about, no one knew the dog, rang the RSPCA to be told " what are we supposed to do? ring a vet"
with that the dog died, left it on the grass for the owner to find with a note,
that was the day I stopped giving to the RSPCA,
never mind a couple of years back when they put down a mates lost dog as it was old and would be difficult to re home, didnt bother scanning it for the chip.
caelite said:
That's bonkers about the vet. I've done it once before for a cat I found still twitching in the road, dropped it off at my local emergency vet without a 2nd thought after chapping on the door of the house adjacent to ask if they knew the owner.
Will need to remember if I do that again to make a point that I don't have my wallet or any ID on me if asked to leave my own details/pay.
As I say, and I did say to the vet it wasn't a small dog, at a guess sheepdog, bin was double the normal weight of 1 - 2 kitchen bin bags. Perhaps I should have just taken a bit in at a time until they found the chip?Will need to remember if I do that again to make a point that I don't have my wallet or any ID on me if asked to leave my own details/pay.
bobtail4x4 said:
a few years back the car in front ran over a jack russell and drove off,
we stopped, and moved it to the side of the road, it wasnt dead,
asked about, no one knew the dog, rang the RSPCA to be told " what are we supposed to do? ring a vet"
with that the dog died, left it on the grass for the owner to find with a note,
that was the day I stopped giving to the RSPCA,
never mind a couple of years back when they put down a mates lost dog as it was old and would be difficult to re home, didnt bother scanning it for the chip.
I'll let a few more replies come in, the story of the cat, the RSPCA, a potential bill and the emergency services and 40 cups of tea had a similar effect on me and the RSPCA.we stopped, and moved it to the side of the road, it wasnt dead,
asked about, no one knew the dog, rang the RSPCA to be told " what are we supposed to do? ring a vet"
with that the dog died, left it on the grass for the owner to find with a note,
that was the day I stopped giving to the RSPCA,
never mind a couple of years back when they put down a mates lost dog as it was old and would be difficult to re home, didnt bother scanning it for the chip.
StanleyT said:
caelite said:
That's bonkers about the vet. I've done it once before for a cat I found still twitching in the road, dropped it off at my local emergency vet without a 2nd thought after chapping on the door of the house adjacent to ask if they knew the owner.
Will need to remember if I do that again to make a point that I don't have my wallet or any ID on me if asked to leave my own details/pay.
As I say, and I did say to the vet it wasn't a small dog, at a guess sheepdog, bin was double the normal weight of 1 - 2 kitchen bin bags. Perhaps I should have just taken a bit in at a time until they found the chip?Will need to remember if I do that again to make a point that I don't have my wallet or any ID on me if asked to leave my own details/pay.
It's a sad situation all around, having an animal go missing is an awful feeling, whether it a pet of a working animal.
caelite said:
The sad thing is, to me it sounds like it's been a fighting dog. The gypos & whatnot lift them from peoples front gardens & use them for bloodsport, then dump them when they're 'done'. I'd say this is a more likely situation to your theory that it is someone hiding the evidence of a RTA. It would make more sense that the thing was 'in pieces' and bagged up.
Eeeks, you've given me the willies with that. I just assumed as it was a single track road with hedges and no pavements the dog ran out blind, got hit by a car, but now you think of it, and the traveller camp 2 miles away. Urrrgh.caelite said:
The sad thing is, to me it sounds like it's been a fighting dog. The gypos & whatnot lift them from peoples front gardens & use them for bloodsport, then dump them when they're 'done'. I'd say this is a more likely situation to your theory that it is someone hiding the evidence of a RTA. It would make more sense that the thing was 'in pieces' and bagged up.
It's a sad situation all around, having an animal go missing is an awful feeling, whether it a pet of a working animal.
Wow that's an assumption and a half.It's a sad situation all around, having an animal go missing is an awful feeling, whether it a pet of a working animal.
Ok from the top.
If it was hit by a car, the driver is not hiding "evidence" He has committed no crime running it over, quite the opposite, the owner is liable for any damage to his car.
The RSPCA are a bunch of fannies, I would have eaten the dog before phoning them.
The bin men would just collect it with no issues, I put carcasses in my wheelie bin all the time (minus the bits I can eat)
Vets, well, the fact the first thing they go on about is making money says more than I could.
Forget about it . If someone shows you a picture of a missing dog that matches the one in your bin, let the folk know without letting them know who you are, cause sure as s
t, they will take some of their frustration out on you.OK. Cat on roof. I think this was 2005.
Night 1
"Meeew, meew, mewew" could be heard above our bedroom window (listed 300 year cottage with original draughty windows, freezing in November).
Night 2
Same again,
Day 2
Looked up at the roof next morn, not our Ginger cat wanting in but a fat black cat. On the highest top ridgeline of the house, abutted at both end by substantial chimney stacks.
Put cat food in bowl on the half roof to tempt it down, no joy.
Night 3,
Neighbour comes round to complain, can't we shut our cat up keeping her awake. Cat starting to sound distressed. Put more food on half roof.
Day 3
Neighbour tells us she has rung RSPCA. They'll be in touch.
Night 4,
Absolutely freezing cold, has cat froze to death and slipped off. No, saved all its efforts and crawled out a chimney pot at 2 am to wake the entire neighbourhood.
Day 4
RSCPA ring me on my mobile. I explain situation, not my cat. Get threatened with neglect of animals. Fine I say, go round and get the cat.
Get home.
RSPCA guy has kindly let himself into our properties back yard, climbed up onto the 1st story roof, and got a garden hose and tried to blast the cat off. Unfortunately not enough water pressure to get the hose to the main ridge, so he has called the fire Brigade to help.
Fire Brigade ask me if I know the strength / structure of the upper roof - heavy looking slate, but we'd never been in the loft (rented) and the roof line obviously had signs of age.
RSPCA man wants Fire Brigade to "chase" the cat off the roof with their water jets. Fire Brigade guy declines as water under the slates when fired from below could enter property.
RSCPA man gets upset. Eventually Fire Brigade man suggests this could be a training exercise and he'd send up some reservists on ladders to get the cat but that comes with a "cat call out cost of £300". I suggest I'll make some cups of tea and get some biscuits. RSPCA mans suggests I get my chequebook. Pointed out to him, not our cat, not us that called Fire Brigade "he'd get the money off us 'in hand, or in court' if he could prove it was our cat".
Eventually after, much risk assessment, a second and third unit turning up to observe (must have heard about the biscuits) two retainer trainees are sent up on ladders to each end of the roof to capture the cat. Which they do and cat seems quite pliant being carried down in the arms of a butch firefighter. RSPCA is itching to get at cat and grabs it out of the firefighters arm before he is off the ladder at which point, this tired cold timid rotten ball of a tomcat (Christ hadn't realised how big it was when it was on the roof) left paw rakes RSPCA man straight across the face drawing blood, meowls and jumps for freedom and runs).
Fire guy instantly says "so Mr. RSPCA, we'll bill you for the call out then, unless you can identify cat owner, do you want an ambulance, my wife is a vet and says their is feline AIDS going about". Almost felt sorry for the RSPCA guy at this point but he said something unsayable re firefighter / fireskivers and the events on 9/11 not that many years before at that point in time ................couple of the fire guys helped me wash up - I didn't even realise we'd got 40 cups in the house. One says, "Ey-up, cat is back"....."What I think" as our little ginger wanders through quietly!!!
We saw the big fat Tom a few times after over the following years, obviously feral, but boy, it had a girls voice. But yep for me after giving monthly to the RSPCA after being threatened about an animal that wasn't mine, trying to stuff me for a bill I'd not caused and then just downright arrogance to go into my property without asking and insult firefighters, debit ended and any chuggers told exactly why so over the years.
Night 1
"Meeew, meew, mewew" could be heard above our bedroom window (listed 300 year cottage with original draughty windows, freezing in November).
Night 2
Same again,
Day 2
Looked up at the roof next morn, not our Ginger cat wanting in but a fat black cat. On the highest top ridgeline of the house, abutted at both end by substantial chimney stacks.
Put cat food in bowl on the half roof to tempt it down, no joy.
Night 3,
Neighbour comes round to complain, can't we shut our cat up keeping her awake. Cat starting to sound distressed. Put more food on half roof.
Day 3
Neighbour tells us she has rung RSPCA. They'll be in touch.
Night 4,
Absolutely freezing cold, has cat froze to death and slipped off. No, saved all its efforts and crawled out a chimney pot at 2 am to wake the entire neighbourhood.
Day 4
RSCPA ring me on my mobile. I explain situation, not my cat. Get threatened with neglect of animals. Fine I say, go round and get the cat.
Get home.
RSPCA guy has kindly let himself into our properties back yard, climbed up onto the 1st story roof, and got a garden hose and tried to blast the cat off. Unfortunately not enough water pressure to get the hose to the main ridge, so he has called the fire Brigade to help.
Fire Brigade ask me if I know the strength / structure of the upper roof - heavy looking slate, but we'd never been in the loft (rented) and the roof line obviously had signs of age.
RSPCA man wants Fire Brigade to "chase" the cat off the roof with their water jets. Fire Brigade guy declines as water under the slates when fired from below could enter property.
RSCPA man gets upset. Eventually Fire Brigade man suggests this could be a training exercise and he'd send up some reservists on ladders to get the cat but that comes with a "cat call out cost of £300". I suggest I'll make some cups of tea and get some biscuits. RSPCA mans suggests I get my chequebook. Pointed out to him, not our cat, not us that called Fire Brigade "he'd get the money off us 'in hand, or in court' if he could prove it was our cat".
Eventually after, much risk assessment, a second and third unit turning up to observe (must have heard about the biscuits) two retainer trainees are sent up on ladders to each end of the roof to capture the cat. Which they do and cat seems quite pliant being carried down in the arms of a butch firefighter. RSPCA is itching to get at cat and grabs it out of the firefighters arm before he is off the ladder at which point, this tired cold timid rotten ball of a tomcat (Christ hadn't realised how big it was when it was on the roof) left paw rakes RSPCA man straight across the face drawing blood, meowls and jumps for freedom and runs).
Fire guy instantly says "so Mr. RSPCA, we'll bill you for the call out then, unless you can identify cat owner, do you want an ambulance, my wife is a vet and says their is feline AIDS going about". Almost felt sorry for the RSPCA guy at this point but he said something unsayable re firefighter / fireskivers and the events on 9/11 not that many years before at that point in time ................couple of the fire guys helped me wash up - I didn't even realise we'd got 40 cups in the house. One says, "Ey-up, cat is back"....."What I think" as our little ginger wanders through quietly!!!
We saw the big fat Tom a few times after over the following years, obviously feral, but boy, it had a girls voice. But yep for me after giving monthly to the RSPCA after being threatened about an animal that wasn't mine, trying to stuff me for a bill I'd not caused and then just downright arrogance to go into my property without asking and insult firefighters, debit ended and any chuggers told exactly why so over the years.
Edited by StanleyT on Monday 9th September 18:59
dirky dirk said:
take it to the tip, some allow pets,
one person turned up with a horse once i believe
As pets are classed as CAT1 ABP I doubt any will knowingly take it.one person turned up with a horse once i believe
RSPCA/SSPCA may not be the best of agencies. Hide behind the quasi Police uniform even before they were granted a few legal powers. Worse now, they prey on old ladies for bequests.
Edited by loskie on Monday 9th September 19:21
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