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I must say I have watched the Grand National in the past and perhaps put a bet on a long time ago but hearing the fact another horse has died makes me pretty sick in the stomach.
Unfortunately, I decided to watch the 2019 Cheltenham Festival where a beautiful horse called Sir Erec lost its shoe before the start of the race. It had a stone bruise on the lead up to the Gold Cup race but had scans and was passed fit.
Anyway, due to it losing the shoe we saw at least 5 minutes of extra footage of the horse before it started the race. A stunning animal with an amazing temperament as it just stood there and had the work done.
Then early on it went wrong and its leg was shattered so it was put down.
That really affected me so that was it for watching the racing and today hearing that another horse died makes it hard to take.
Don't get me wrong the people looking after these horses are giving the best of care and are clearly heartbroken after horrendous situations but I just can't watch this anymore.
But I must say if a horse loses its rider it does still continue to jump so do the horses actually love it?
Anyway, I will perhaps get slated for posting this but I was just very upset to hear this happened again.
Must be getting soft.
Unfortunately, I decided to watch the 2019 Cheltenham Festival where a beautiful horse called Sir Erec lost its shoe before the start of the race. It had a stone bruise on the lead up to the Gold Cup race but had scans and was passed fit.
Anyway, due to it losing the shoe we saw at least 5 minutes of extra footage of the horse before it started the race. A stunning animal with an amazing temperament as it just stood there and had the work done.
Then early on it went wrong and its leg was shattered so it was put down.
That really affected me so that was it for watching the racing and today hearing that another horse died makes it hard to take.
Don't get me wrong the people looking after these horses are giving the best of care and are clearly heartbroken after horrendous situations but I just can't watch this anymore.
But I must say if a horse loses its rider it does still continue to jump so do the horses actually love it?
Anyway, I will perhaps get slated for posting this but I was just very upset to hear this happened again.
Must be getting soft.
You won't get slated by me.
I hate horse racing. As for the argument that the horses love it, I'm not so convinced that it isn't conditioning rather than 'loving it'. I have the same issue with greyhound racing. Don't get me wrong, as someone who has owned various greyhounds/sighthounds/lurchers over the years, I know how they love to run but that doesn't mean they have to race, with all the risks that entails.
Too much money involved and not enough concern for animal welfare as far as I'm concerned.
I hate horse racing. As for the argument that the horses love it, I'm not so convinced that it isn't conditioning rather than 'loving it'. I have the same issue with greyhound racing. Don't get me wrong, as someone who has owned various greyhounds/sighthounds/lurchers over the years, I know how they love to run but that doesn't mean they have to race, with all the risks that entails.
Too much money involved and not enough concern for animal welfare as far as I'm concerned.
N111BJG said:
Without horse racing how much money would be invested in the care of the creatures, research into their health or specialist vets.
Now that the species has no use for commerce, withou the racing industry perhaps it would dwindle to near extinction levels.
There are plenty of other horse ownership and in reality there are too many horses and too many discarded by racing. There is plenty of care for horses but too many being bred. When a horse breaks its leg that's really not an easy recovery as box rest is very tough for themNow that the species has no use for commerce, withou the racing industry perhaps it would dwindle to near extinction levels.
Edited by The jiffle king on Saturday 6th April 22:00
I can't see much of moral difference between a horse racing, fishing and killing an animal for food. You don't need to eat meat and you don't need an animal to perform for your entertainment.
Unless you are prepared to go 100%, hardcore vegan I don't think you can complain about a particular activity which involves animal suffering.
Unless you are prepared to go 100%, hardcore vegan I don't think you can complain about a particular activity which involves animal suffering.
N111BJG said:
without the racing industry perhaps it would dwindle to near extinction levels.
Only if you destroy its natural habitat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_horse
The jiffle king said:
There are plenty of other horse ownership and in reality there are too many horses and too many discarded by racing. There is plenty of care for horses but too many being bred. When a horse breaks its leg that's really not an easy recovery as box rest is very tough for them
Yep lots of horses, they are cheap to buy vs the cost to maintain. Edited by The jiffle king on Saturday 6th April 22:00
Perhaps we should eat them, I expect lots of us have tried & liked it. Foal is quite tasty.
rsbmw said:
That one flipping around like a fish after falling at the first looked like it was having a great time...
Similar to the TT riders every year , although it's definately their choice to race . s
t happens when boundaries are pushed ,that's not meant lightly, accept it or wrap yourself in cotton wool whilst knitting yourself some yoghurt .
Horses are flight animals so surely they run instinctively. I don't think it's about fun, it's just something they do naturally. Wild horses do it too.
We've always done the Grand National as a family event but it's difficult to fully enjoy because I can't get away from the moral implications of it all, and simply don't know enough about the animals to make a conclusive decision one way or another.
We've always done the Grand National as a family event but it's difficult to fully enjoy because I can't get away from the moral implications of it all, and simply don't know enough about the animals to make a conclusive decision one way or another.
It is sad when a horse dies but I’m sure some must enjoy the racing just like us humans enjoy competing and racing. Obviously they don’t ultimately choose to race but if they’re not up for it surely they wouldn’t actually be any good at it as not all horses race.
People have died from playing football so shall we ban that in case someone else dies?
There is an element of risk to most things and even we choose to risk our own lives in the name of sport and pleasure.
If all the risks were taken out of everything then how would we get that buzz out of life. Take away all sports, speed, thrill rides, climbing etc, etc; what would we do for a little fun?
People have died from playing football so shall we ban that in case someone else dies?
There is an element of risk to most things and even we choose to risk our own lives in the name of sport and pleasure.
If all the risks were taken out of everything then how would we get that buzz out of life. Take away all sports, speed, thrill rides, climbing etc, etc; what would we do for a little fun?
Geffg said:
It is sad when a horse dies but I’m sure some must enjoy the racing just like us humans enjoy competing and racing. Obviously they don’t ultimately choose to race but if they’re not up for it surely they wouldn’t actually be any good at it as not all horses race.
People have died from playing football so shall we ban that in case someone else dies?
There is an element of risk to most things and even we choose to risk our own lives in the name of sport and pleasure.
If all the risks were taken out of everything then how would we get that buzz out of life. Take away all sports, speed, thrill rides, climbing etc, etc; what would we do for a little fun?
I doubt you would have 57 football players dying in the UK since the start of 2019.People have died from playing football so shall we ban that in case someone else dies?
There is an element of risk to most things and even we choose to risk our own lives in the name of sport and pleasure.
If all the risks were taken out of everything then how would we get that buzz out of life. Take away all sports, speed, thrill rides, climbing etc, etc; what would we do for a little fun?
If we did that sport would be banned.
It a hard one to fix as even lowering the fences would still cause issues.
Glad to see the horses receiving better care before and after a race but it's still too high a death figure.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 7th April 13:07
Geffg said:
If all the risks were taken out of everything then how would we get that buzz out of life. Take away all sports, speed, thrill rides, climbing etc, etc; what would we do for a little fun?
WE can do what we like, because we choose to do it and decide if we want to risk. I parachute jump and scuba dive - I know there are risks but I enjoy them. But the horses don't get a choice do they?I hate horse racing mostly because of the horse industry and the people within, the only way for small people to object is by avoiding investment.....the sport of kings?? well it costs a king's ransom to compete. Horse sport is sadly so ingrained within the affluent side of our society that it will be difficult to stop. Throw up a big volcano that ruins our food supply and horse meat would quickly appear on the menu!! Horses and animals in general do what is natural, race horses have been bred to.....race.
Fox hounds have been bred to hunt foxes but if either horse or hound crossed my small bit of land chasing a small predator, they might not pass in full health, again people setting the pace and agenda.
Horse racing is a big industry called a sport, so is football, huge money attracting the worst of humanity. How can losses be avoided? Would you ban boxing? or my favourite, rugby?
I wish more people were forced to see the inevitable tragedies of sport, get rid of the green screens and make human fools watch the consequence of betting. Does that mean horses shouldn't be allowed to jump at the local gymkhana?
No easy answer, but informed public would be good.
Fox hounds have been bred to hunt foxes but if either horse or hound crossed my small bit of land chasing a small predator, they might not pass in full health, again people setting the pace and agenda.
Horse racing is a big industry called a sport, so is football, huge money attracting the worst of humanity. How can losses be avoided? Would you ban boxing? or my favourite, rugby?
I wish more people were forced to see the inevitable tragedies of sport, get rid of the green screens and make human fools watch the consequence of betting. Does that mean horses shouldn't be allowed to jump at the local gymkhana?
No easy answer, but informed public would be good.
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