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Prizam

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2,428 posts

147 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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We have a lovely snow leopard Bengal boy cat of 4 years old. He has had his balls removed. much to his displeasure.

He is great fun... but he pees on everything. Several times a day.

Been to the vets, nothing medically wrong with him.

We have tried those calming scent fanny-away plug in jobbies. nothing.

We have tried calming pills

Feeding inside / outside - raw food

Hundreds of litter trays, changed daily.




Nothing works with him. When he does pee outside, it is in the strangest of places. His current favourite is peeing like a girl on one of the paving slabs in our lawn. Flooding it.


HELP! We don't want to re-home him... but its starting to look this way.

His sister is fine. they have been together since kittens, but do occasional growl at each other when they have been out and both smell different. Usually friends again cuddled up in their basket quite quickly.

Only other thing to note - They were indoor cats for the first 3 years of there life. And we have recently had a new baby arrive.

Erasmia

56 posts

134 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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We had a similar problem with our Bengal when we first had him and tried to keep him indoors. What fixed it for us was allowing him out and getting him a friend, so we always assumed it was a combination of boredom, frustration and stress.

Did the behaviour start when the baby arrived? I suspect that's quite a stressful time for a cat. Or was it when they first went out? Could he feel insecure and be desperately marking his territory?

bexVN

14,682 posts

217 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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How old was he when neutered?

And rehoming is likely to move the problem onto someone else, unless he moves to a farmstead type place.

Have you sought a feline behaviourist. Bengals are high maintenance and when issues arise with them (which is frequently!) they are hard to solve.

How long have you tried previous treatments they can take several weeks to months to see real difference.

Any issues with neighbourhood cats?

Prizam

Original Poster:

2,428 posts

147 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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remember how old he was when nuterd, 6 months?

He has always peed, but became noticibly worse when he started going outside. And worse again when baby arrived.

Cats have since calmed down around the baby and they like each other. Not much seems to bother him so i really dont think it is stress related.

If anything, they both relly like the baby. they both folow us round the block if we go for family walks but are only intrested when we go with the baby.

bexVN

14,682 posts

217 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Cats do not express stress in the same way as people/ dogs which is why signs are missed until something obvious like inappropriate urination occurs.

This type of urinating IS him exhibiting stress signs unfortunately.

I would not be surprised if it has been antagonised bg something occurring outside especially if you feel he is coping with the children now.

Have you sought a professional feline behaviourist? It may be worth looking at International Cat Care website, this is run by feline specialists.

Have you tried Pet Remedy plug in. Most try Feliway which can work but a lot are getting great responses from Pet Remedy

Prizam

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2,428 posts

147 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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We used fenyway, it had some very marginal improvements. Though i think any improvement was really wishfull thinking.

Outside he is bold as brass, friends with the school kids, even dogs comming by walking. Nothing seems to worry him. Though i guess i dont know that for sure.

We have not had a cat behavioreal person round.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

261 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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I bet you'd pee all over somebody's house if he knocked you out and cut your nuts off...hehe

bexVN

14,682 posts

217 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Prizam said:
We used fenyway, it had some very marginal improvements. Though i think any improvement was really wishfull thinking.

Outside he is bold as brass, friends with the school kids, even dogs comming by walking. Nothing seems to worry him. Though i guess i dont know that for sure.

We have not had a cat behavioreal person round.
Feliway and Pet remedy are very different in their properties. Ali found Pet Remedy worked much better for her cat than Feliway, it is easy to get hold of (online) so definitely worth a try.

Unless there is a medical reason, inappropriate urination is nearly always going to be a stress induced problem, finding the trigger can be tricky though hence a professional.

If you go on International Cat Care site and search Behaviourists it gives good advice as to how to get a good one (plus a really good site for all sorts of info on cats!)



Edited by bexVN on Monday 11th April 22:11

Mobile Chicane

21,115 posts

218 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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"New baby". There's your problem, right there. Only you don't have the option of re-homing the baby.

bexVN

14,682 posts

217 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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Mobile Chicane said:
"New baby". There's your problem, right there. Only you don't have the option of re-homing the baby.
Certainly wouldn't have helped but he was doing it before the baby arrived so it isn't just the baby goes deeper than that it seems.

jules_s

4,476 posts

239 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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bexVN said:
How old was he when neutered?
Bengals are high maintenance and when issues arise with them (which is frequently!) they are hard to solve.
I never get that about Bengals

I've got two, had them eight years and never had a problem (house cats) and they share a litter tray

Prizam

Original Poster:

2,428 posts

147 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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bexVN said:
Mobile Chicane said:
"New baby". There's your problem, right there. Only you don't have the option of re-homing the baby.
Certainly wouldn't have helped but he was doing it before the baby arrived so it isn't just the baby goes deeper than that it seems.
Indeed. the only thing we can think of is perhaps he was taken away from his mother too soon by the "breeder" ?

ali_kat

32,019 posts

227 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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jules_s said:
I never get that about Bengals

I've got two, had them eight years and never had a problem (house cats) and they share a litter tray
You're very lucky then smile

ali_kat

32,019 posts

227 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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I feel your pain frown We had this problem with my boy. He's a Serengeti (Bengal/Siamese cross) but if you look at him he looks full Bengal like his Dad. And he pees when he is stressed or scared. He’s even wet himself when I’ve picked him up unexpectedly (and he likes being picked up!)

We had a Cat behaviourist, Vet tests, treated for cystitis, put food down where it was happening, had the carpet professionally cleaned, used every trick on the internet suggested, special food, Feliway plug ins (Pet Remedy wasn’t available then), Zyklene on food, we even had a couple of weeks of force feeding him capsules with a glow in the dark liquid in so we could use a black light & check it was him & not his sister laugh

The antistress tablets & plug-ins do have to be given time, they aren’t instant cures.

Never did get to the bottom of it - It just stopped; although that was about the time he decided he didn’t want to go outside to play anymore. He’d go out with his sister, walk around for a couple of minutes & come back in.

When we moved house, we expected problems… We used Pet Remedy and nothing, zip, nada, zilch. I’d had Feliway in the safe room I’d set up for them in the old house for weeks so it was thoroughly infused and he pulled the carpet up to hide under it within an hour of being put in there An hour after plugging in .Pet Remedy & he was out from under the carpet and purring. We had them all around the new house the moment we got in, no problem what so ever. We’ve not had the problem since, but then he doesn’t go outside anymore (as his new sister is blind).

Is there any pattern to it? Day/night? When he’s been outside? When he’s not been allowed outside? When he’s not had his own way? (They will pee to punish you for your transgressions) Are there any other cats around? Something as simple as another cat coming in the garden could trigger it. When you/your partner have been away?

You’ve said he’s always done it but it’s been worse since you let him outside, and then worsened again with the baby’s arrival - maybe stop both of them going out for a couple of months & see what happens?

Like all mammalian urine, cat urine is sterile. Yes, it's a smell and not as easy to clean up for a cats nose as dog pee is, but there are easy ways and means to clean it up without leaving a smell for them, it's just a matter of the right chemicals.

Please don't, whatever you do, re-home him and split him & his sister up. It will only make the whole thing worse (and you'll miss him like hell!).

Prizam

Original Poster:

2,428 posts

147 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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I will miss him, that's the hardest part.

No day or night pattern, though he does seem to wait for one of us to be around before he pees on somthing. He knows its wrong, if one of us catches him he cowers and then runs away from it.

He pisses on his food if he decides he does not like it.

We have given him Zyklene over a 3 month period, very limited, if any improvement.

Strangely, his pee does not smell.

lots of other cats around, but again. He is not really bothered by them. Does not chase or fight. some times follows them about. If anything the neighbourhood cats are afraid of him.

We cant stop them from going outside now, they will destroy the house. If anything it would make him more stressed and would pee even more (Know this from experience)

We have used Feliway for 6 months +, very little difference, again, if any.

Will get some Pet Remedy and give it a go, but this really is starting to turn in to last ditch attempts.

ali_kat

32,019 posts

227 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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yikes Pissing on his food & waiting for one of you to see him do it is stress & telling you off for something. I think I'd be going back to the Vet - if they recommend a Cat Behaviourist it can go through your insurance.

Where are you based?

Prizam

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2,428 posts

147 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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Based in Reading.

He gets all the food he could want. Raw food and wet pouches (Good quality ones). Always something down and fresh.