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boobles

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Friday 15th July 2011
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We know this women & we knew the dog, very sad indeed.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8638087...

Jasandjules

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Friday 15th July 2011
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That sounds awful.

boobles

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Friday 15th July 2011
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I don't understand why anybody would want to keep bees especially whilst living in a built up area.

It could have been a child.

pugwash4x4

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Friday 15th July 2011
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WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN

FSS grow up will you- any parent who can't teach their child NOT to knock over a bee colony should be done for child neglect.

Its very sad that this dog died (and i am an ardent dog lover and dog owner), and i would be gutted if our dog was killed under any circumstances. But the dog was somewhere it shouldn't have been, was too boisterous, there was a freak accident and the bees were threatened.

Get a fking grip people...

boobles

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Friday 15th July 2011
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pugwash4x4 said:
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN

FSS grow up will you- any parent who can't teach their child NOT to knock over a bee colony should be done for child neglect.

Its very sad that this dog died (and i am an ardent dog lover and dog owner), and i would be gutted if our dog was killed under any circumstances. But the dog was somewhere it shouldn't have been, was too boisterous, there was a freak accident and the bees were threatened.

Get a fking grip people...
What the fk are you going on about?

If you actually no what really happened you would understand. The bee hive was knocked by an adult which disturbed the bees, hence they attacked the nearest thing which was the dog & yes, it could have been a child!

pugwash4x4

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Friday 15th July 2011
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oh this is the most telling bit:

"The bees began attacking Sara after she wandered into neighbour Sue Mowforth's adjoining garden and knocked over one of two stacked hives."

wandered into the neigbours garden? knocked over ONE OR TWO stacked hives?

these things aren't small FFS, they aren't light either when filled with bees and honey.

What happened is this woman went out, left the dog free in an unsecure garden (and seriously what retard does that), which then got massively over excited and destroyed someones property.

Quite how she thinks keeping FLYING bees behind a fence is going to help matters i do not know. They really let some seriously retarded people into the city these days.

boobles

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Friday 15th July 2011
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So now you read it & realize! rolleyes

And yes, it could have been a child! Bees don't care who or what they attack.

pugwash4x4

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Friday 15th July 2011
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boobles said:
What the fk are you going on about?

If you actually no what really happened you would understand. The bee hive was knocked by an adult which disturbed the bees, hence they attacked the nearest thing which was the dog & yes, it could have been a child!
no according to the article the dog knocked the hive over:

"A woman's German Shepherd puppy was stung to death by a swarm of bees after knocking over a hive in her neighbour’s garden. "

the dog was the nearest thing because it knocked the hive over.

what was it doing uncontrolled in an open garden whilst the owner was at work all day?

people need to take responsibility for their own actions.

Keeping bees is not inherently dangerous, keeping an uncontrolled dog IS.

The owner needs to take responsibility and not blame the bee keeper.

I feel for the dog immensely, but not for the owner.

Shay HTFC

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196 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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boobles said:
So now you read it & realize! rolleyes

And yes, it could have been a child! Bees don't care who or what they attack.
Its quite sad, but I think the onus is on not knocking over the bee hive. Why was the dog left alone on someone else's private property which contained beehives?

Although were the beehives on someones private property or not? Its hard to tell reading the article - its someone's garden, but the lady claims it to be public property?!

boobles

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I have a dog & If I were to let it out in the garden (which should be a safe place for anyone) I would be pretty annoyed if this were to happen. As previously said, it could have been a child (I no what your going to say) but it could & I wonder what the outcome would have been for the owner of the bees if this had been the case.

Fittster

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Friday 15th July 2011
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boobles said:
I don't understand why anybody would want to keep bees especially whilst living in a built up area.
Did this incident occur in a built up area?

boobles

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Fittster said:
boobles said:
I don't understand why anybody would want to keep bees especially whilst living in a built up area.
Did this incident occur in a built up area?
It's actually a village but yes, the bee keeper does have neighbours.

I realize that the bees will attact if feel threatened, I fully understand this, but surely the bee keeper could have done more to stop anyone or anything being able to walk straight up to them. This is just my opinion & nothing more.

Shay HTFC

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Friday 15th July 2011
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boobles said:
I have a dog & If I were to let it out in the garden (which should be a safe place for anyone) I would be pretty annoyed if this were to happen. As previously said, it could have been a child (I no what your going to say) but it could & I wonder what the outcome would have been for the owner of the bees if this had been the case.
If I were to let my dog out into my own garden, then yes, I would expect it to be safe. If I let it out into someone else's garden which contained beehives, then no, I wouldn't expect it to be safe.

ali_kat

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Friday 15th July 2011
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boobles said:
I have a dog & If I were to let it out in the garden (which should be a safe place for anyone) I would be pretty annoyed if this were to happen. As previously said, it could have been a child (I no what your going to say) but it could & I wonder what the outcome would have been for the owner of the bees if this had been the case.
We'd be asking the same questions, why was the child outside on it's own when the parent was out? And why was the child in someone else's garden pushing hives over?

Feel sorry for everyone concerned, but if the owner had kept control of the dog, ie in a secure garden, wouldn't have happened!

boobles

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Friday 15th July 2011
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I am not saying a child would or could be on it's own (this is purely what has happened with the dog) What I am saying is, the bees will attack anything if threatened now this could be a dog, cat, child or anything & yes a child could have been in a garden close by & could have been attatcked. I no it didn't happen & I no I am only speculating but my opinion is, why would anyone keep bees where other people have to live knowing that something like this could happen. There should be tighter controls on where or how bees are kept.

y2blade

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Friday 15th July 2011
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very sad frown

my thoughts are with the pup


my dog was stung in the mouth when he was a few weeks old, he was in a lot of pain and his face swelled up, he passed out on the drive to the vets (honestly thought he was going to die)

I can only imagine the suffering the pup in question went through


MKnight702

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Friday 15th July 2011
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boobles said:
What I am saying is, the bees will attack anything if threatened now this could be a dog, cat, child or anything & yes a child could have been in a garden close by & could have been attatcked. I no it didn't happen & I no I am only speculating but my opinion is, why would anyone keep bees where other people have to live knowing that something like this could happen. There should be tighter controls on where or how bees are kept.
Whilst it is very sad that this puppy died, the dog was uncontrolled and on the neighbours property when it knocked over a bee hive. The question should be why was the dog uncontrolled, afterall if the dog had been controlled the hive wouldn't have been knocked over and no-one would have been in any danger from a swarm of angry bees. Think of it this way, had the puppy come onto your property and knocked your patio light into your pond and electrocuted your fish, would you be calling for more regultion of patio lights or fish ponds????

y2blade

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Friday 15th July 2011
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MKnight702 said:
boobles said:
What I am saying is, the bees will attack anything if threatened now this could be a dog, cat, child or anything & yes a child could have been in a garden close by & could have been attatcked. I no it didn't happen & I no I am only speculating but my opinion is, why would anyone keep bees where other people have to live knowing that something like this could happen. There should be tighter controls on where or how bees are kept.
Whilst it is very sad that this puppy died, the dog was uncontrolled and on the neighbours property when it knocked over a bee hive. The question should be why was the dog uncontrolled, afterall if the dog had been controlled the hive wouldn't have been knocked over and no-one would have been in any danger from a swarm of angry bees. Think of it this way, had the puppy come onto your property and knocked your patio light into your pond and electrocuted your fish, would you be calling for more regultion of patio lights or fish ponds????
good point Matthew

boobles

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Friday 15th July 2011
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Ofcourse not. Are you the type of person who also thinks if a dog attacks a child in it's own home this is also ok?

Just a thought.


Lippitt

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Friday 15th July 2011
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God this blaming culture does my head in. It was an ACCIDENT. Yes there were probably mistakes on both sides, and you could argue about it till the cows come home but overall it was just a very sad accident.