Under cupboard kitchen lighting
Discussion
Hi
I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and I am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and I am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
Edited by SLacKer on Thursday 3rd December 15:34
SLacKer said:
Hi
I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and end am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I was looking for under unit lights just last week. Sensio seem to be a good make for your problems.I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and end am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I've also seen at a house we worked in lately, the use of a 'light rope' for kick board lighting, comes in a variety or colours and is flexible.
Gingerbread Man said:
SLacKer said:
Hi
I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and end am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I was looking for under unit lights just last week. Sensio seem to be a good make for your problems.I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and end am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I've also seen at a house we worked in lately, the use of a 'light rope' for kick board lighting, comes in a variety or colours and is flexible.
Could try these:
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Me...
... but they are expensive.
(On a side note, I just dismantled a 21-LED GU10 bulb to do this:
OK, they are lounge shelves not kitchen, but you get the idea. They work very well, but are a very 'cold' blue light, which is not to everyone's taste. It doesn't suit the room in the picture above, and I'm wondering what to do about it.)
Oli.
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Me...
... but they are expensive.
(On a side note, I just dismantled a 21-LED GU10 bulb to do this:
OK, they are lounge shelves not kitchen, but you get the idea. They work very well, but are a very 'cold' blue light, which is not to everyone's taste. It doesn't suit the room in the picture above, and I'm wondering what to do about it.)
Oli.
We've fitted some LED under lights in the kitchen just last week, not sure of the make though but work very similarly to the Sensio plinth packs.
They're not cheap though, we needed 11 metres and it came to about 500 quid as far as I can recall, but that runs round the top of the wall units (5m worth) and the bottom of all the base units (with the exception of the dishwasher).
They're not cheap though, we needed 11 metres and it came to about 500 quid as far as I can recall, but that runs round the top of the wall units (5m worth) and the bottom of all the base units (with the exception of the dishwasher).
zcacogp said:
Could try these:
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Me...
... but they are expensive.
(On a side note, I just dismantled a 21-LED GU10 bulb to do this:
OK, they are lounge shelves not kitchen, but you get the idea. They work very well, but are a very 'cold' blue light, which is not to everyone's taste. It doesn't suit the room in the picture above, and I'm wondering what to do about it.)
Oli.
How much night power do they have? I'm looking to change the illumination in a display cabinet and am wondering if something like this would do the job?http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Me...
... but they are expensive.
(On a side note, I just dismantled a 21-LED GU10 bulb to do this:
OK, they are lounge shelves not kitchen, but you get the idea. They work very well, but are a very 'cold' blue light, which is not to everyone's taste. It doesn't suit the room in the picture above, and I'm wondering what to do about it.)
Oli.
Gingerbread Man said:
SLacKer said:
Hi
I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and end am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I was looking for under unit lights just last week. Sensio seem to be a good make for your problems.I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and end am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I've also seen at a house we worked in lately, the use of a 'light rope' for kick board lighting, comes in a variety or colours and is flexible.
rocksteadyeddie said:
Gingerbread Man said:
SLacKer said:
Hi
I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and end am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I was looking for under unit lights just last week. Sensio seem to be a good make for your problems.I have tried the small strip lights as well as halogen downlights and end am not happy with either.
Anyone know of a mains operated LED (via transformer) solution or some such to be low power and cool in operation. I don't want the battery powered stick on jobs from B&Q but a more professional setup.
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I've also seen at a house we worked in lately, the use of a 'light rope' for kick board lighting, comes in a variety or colours and is flexible.
SLacKer said:
Hi
I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
I used downlighters, wired them to a PIR so they came on when you walked into the kitchen. If they need to be cool then you are stuck with CFL i would say which take a while to get to full brightness(LED seem useless in my experience).I would also like to have light under the cupboards just above the kick boards or even in them. Anyone got any pointers or experience.
davidjpowell said:
How much night power do they have? I'm looking to change the illumination in a display cabinet and am wondering if something like this would do the job?
Ummm, "some". Each strip is one of these bulbs: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/Lighting/GU1...
... dismantled for their constituent LEDs and control circuits. I think the bulbs were rated as being equivalent of 40w when assembled, but they didn't seem quite as bright as a 40w filament bulb. Having said that, the strips pictured produce more than enough light to illuminate each shelf, and I'd have thought they would do quite well for a display cabinet. (They also produce no heat, which could be an advantage.)
Oli.
zcacogp said:
Could try these:
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Me...
... but they are expensive.
(On a side note, I just dismantled a 21-LED GU10 bulb to do this:
OK, they are lounge shelves not kitchen, but you get the idea. They work very well, but are a very 'cold' blue light, which is not to everyone's taste. It doesn't suit the room in the picture above, and I'm wondering what to do about it.)
Oli.
Shelving by 'Audi'...http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Me...
... but they are expensive.
(On a side note, I just dismantled a 21-LED GU10 bulb to do this:
OK, they are lounge shelves not kitchen, but you get the idea. They work very well, but are a very 'cold' blue light, which is not to everyone's taste. It doesn't suit the room in the picture above, and I'm wondering what to do about it.)
Oli.
monthefish said:
zcacogp said:
Could try these:
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Me...
... but they are expensive.
(On a side note, I just dismantled a 21-LED GU10 bulb to do this:
OK, they are lounge shelves not kitchen, but you get the idea. They work very well, but are a very 'cold' blue light, which is not to everyone's taste. It doesn't suit the room in the picture above, and I'm wondering what to do about it.)
Shelving by 'Audi'...http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Me...
... but they are expensive.
(On a side note, I just dismantled a 21-LED GU10 bulb to do this:
OK, they are lounge shelves not kitchen, but you get the idea. They work very well, but are a very 'cold' blue light, which is not to everyone's taste. It doesn't suit the room in the picture above, and I'm wondering what to do about it.)
Oli.
Have a look at some cold cathode fittings. They dont have the dazzle effect of LED and last somewhere in the region of 30,000 hours, run cool too.
LED is not so practical but more decorative unless you use a lot of them. Typically LED is 20 lumens per watt which is similar to halogen. Most halogen lamps used under cabinets are 5,10 or 20 watt whereas LED groups are usually 1.8watt. Therefore often not bright enough to be safe.
LED is not so practical but more decorative unless you use a lot of them. Typically LED is 20 lumens per watt which is similar to halogen. Most halogen lamps used under cabinets are 5,10 or 20 watt whereas LED groups are usually 1.8watt. Therefore often not bright enough to be safe.
If you are electrically minded, DealExtreme have lots of types of LED strips, most you just need to wire into a 12V supply:
http://www.dealextreme.com/advsearch.dx/search.led...
http://www.dealextreme.com/advsearch.dx/search.led...
Big_Dog said:
Typically LED is 20 lumens per watt which is similar to halogen.
Correct me I am wrong, but is lumens/watt an indication of efficiency? If so, this is saying that an LED is about as efficient as a halogen bulb - non?
If this is the case, then I am surprised; I thought that LED's were much more efficient than any form of incandescent bulb, as their technology produces no heat. Halogens get very hot (hence much energy wasted), whereas LEDs run cold, so no energy wasted in heat.
(I'm not arguing - just interested!)
Oli.
They are not exactly the same but to compare a typical (cheap) LED group and say a 20w halogen they are within 5% of each other sharing a luminous efficiency of about 2%.
I have a lighting business and have had a lot of people returning stuff like GU10 lamps with LEDs in because they cant see. I was surprised at the numbers too. But they come from a pretty clued up specialist lamp distributor.
The new ultra high efficiency LEDs cook out a bit better but think in terms of £40 for a GU10 or MR16 replacement. They need a rectified power supply too.
I have a lighting business and have had a lot of people returning stuff like GU10 lamps with LEDs in because they cant see. I was surprised at the numbers too. But they come from a pretty clued up specialist lamp distributor.
The new ultra high efficiency LEDs cook out a bit better but think in terms of £40 for a GU10 or MR16 replacement. They need a rectified power supply too.
BD,
Interesting. Wikipedia says the same:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-emitting_diode
('Efficiency and Operational Parameters', 1/3 of the way down.)
It does sound like LED technology is progressing fast tho', so I expect that it will improve dramatically over the coming couple of years.
Interesting at the very high efficiency of flourescent lights (up to 100lm/W).
Oli.
Interesting. Wikipedia says the same:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-emitting_diode
('Efficiency and Operational Parameters', 1/3 of the way down.)
It does sound like LED technology is progressing fast tho', so I expect that it will improve dramatically over the coming couple of years.
Interesting at the very high efficiency of flourescent lights (up to 100lm/W).
Oli.
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