Boiler Question - Pump

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GTIR

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24,741 posts

273 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Fired up the CH yesterday and it was banging and popping like a goodun!
Turns out it's the water boiling in the pipes as it's not getting pumped around the system.

Am I right in that if I wire up the pump directly to the mains that it should work? Well it doesn't.

It's a Wilo Gold pump but I'm not sure what I need to replace it, I live in a Victorian 2up2down and was thinking is a Wilo Gold 50 ok to do the job?

Ta

Deva Link

26,934 posts

252 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Yes, it should work.

Have you tried undoing the screw on the end and spinning the shaft? It may have siezed due to lack of use, although they do just fail randomly.

GTIR

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Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Deva Link said:
Yes, it should work.

Have you tried undoing the screw on the end and spinning the shaft? It may have siezed due to lack of use, although they do just fail randomly.
Won't that let the water escape as it's the bleed screw?

robinhood21

30,845 posts

239 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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No. Well, only a trickle. 'Tis why most modern boilers will fire up occasionally to stop the pump from seizing.

ETA: Unscrew the cap on the pump and use a flat screwdriver to turn the shaft.

Edited by robinhood21 on Wednesday 16th September 11:24

GTIR

Original Poster:

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Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Great!

Just had a "plumber" round just to double check, didn't tell him what I knew, this is what he said; "Pumps gone, pump overrun stats gone, Thermo couplings gone, may as well get a new boiler as this one is about 25 years old. £90 for pump, £50 for stat, thermo coupling £25 plus labour £350 or new boiler £860"

WTF!

I didn't say a word just stood by the open front door and shut it behind him.

Yes boiler is very old but it's been in storage from new and was only fitted about three years ago. Pump is £40 from Screwfix, overrun stat, well how can he tell if that's gone if the pump is faulty and thermo coupling £5 from Homebase Prick!

I am not tarnishing all plumbers with same brush here just this guy is a piss taking wker.

henrycrun

2,464 posts

247 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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If you have a header tank, can you check if the system is full ?

GTIR

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Wednesday 16th September 2009
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henrycrun said:
If you have a header tank, can you check if the system is full ?
Good point. Will look later today.

Friends got a 2 month old pump I can have. Result!

GregE240

10,857 posts

274 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Ad, anywhere near Daventry / Rugby? I've got a plumber who is superb. Does sound like pump to me, they do fail.

GTIR

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GregE240 said:
Ad, anywhere near Daventry / Rugby? I've got a plumber who is superb. Does sound like pump to me, they do fail.
No I'm from Cambridge don't you know.

Your up norf'

Ricky_M

6,618 posts

226 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Water shouldn't boil in the pipes, the boiler stat should cut in before that happens. Unless:
A)Your boiler stat is fubared
B)There isn't enough water in your central heating system, ussually caused by a blocked feed pipe from your F+E cistern.

If you can hear it making a noise like a kettle boiling, I'd say B.

Heat will still circulate naturally without the use of a pump. If your boiler is 25 years old, I'd doubt it has a pump overrun facility.

GTIR

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Ricky_M said:
Water shouldn't boil in the pipes, the boiler stat should cut in before that happens. Unless:
A)Your boiler stat is fubared
B)There isn't enough water in your central heating system, ussually caused by a blocked feed pipe from your F+E cistern.

If you can hear it making a noise like a kettle boiling, I'd say B.

Heat will still circulate naturally without the use of a pump. If your boiler is 25 years old, I'd doubt it has a pump overrun facility.
I will check the cistern and water is flowing in the pipes later in week, however this doesn't explain the fact that the pump is not pumping when directly connected to power- unless it has a no water cut off thing within the pump? Doubt it.

It's not quite 25 years old, more like 10! It does have a pump overun cut off as I have all the paperwork and schematics.

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Ricky_M

6,618 posts

226 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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If it isn't working wired directly to the mains, I'd say its fubared!

Tip, if you have screwdriver slot type pump valves, do not touch them, they will leak if you turn the slots, drain the entire system down!

It could just be the pump thats causing it, I know older boilers would circulate without a pump, but I think newer one actually require the water to be pulled away from the boiler.

GTIR

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Thursday 17th September 2009
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Sorted!

Got a Grundfos pump fitted and all is ready for winter.

God bless you all

GregE240

10,857 posts

274 months

Thursday 17th September 2009
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Good man! We just replaced one Grundfos with another, great bits of kit.

GTIR

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Thursday 17th September 2009
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GregE240 said:
Good man! We just replaced one Grundfos with another, great bits of kit.
Best bit is it was free and only a couple of months old. None of this cheapo Wilo crap!

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Edited by GTIR on Thursday 17th September 14:34