Wording on a lease...

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Sarah_W

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288 posts

187 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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I wish to renew wiring, run new woring and take up the floorboards to install new wiring and gas central heating in a flat. The relevant lease term covering this are a bit ambiguous. I take them to mean I can modify non structural internal walls, but am unsure f I need the freeholders permission to:
Lift floorboards for new wiring
Lift flooboards for new entral heating
Run new coax from the loft through the ceilings
Remove an old fireplace and block up the hole (with plasterboad)

"Not to cut main or injure not to make any breach in any part of the structureof the demised premises nor without the previous consent in writing of the Lessor or its agents (uch consent not to be unreasonably withheld or delayed) to make any alteration whatsoever to the plan design or elevation of the demised premisesnor to make any openingstherein nor to open up any floos walls or ceilings for the purpose of altering or renewing any pipes wires ducts or condits nor to alter any of the landlrds fixures or appliances therein Provided laways that no consent shall be required for any internal non structural alterations or additions"

Does anyone know which of the above I would need to get approval for? Thelast sentnce in the lease presumably refers exclusively to stud wll type layout changes, but this contradicts what is written earlier about "to make any alteration whatsoever to the plan design or elevation of the demised premises"

bertie

8,566 posts

291 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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Technicaly you need landlords permission for all of those, but just ask and there is no reason why they won't give it, indeed it says "not to be unreasonably withheld" which is normal.

NDA

22,304 posts

232 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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You are renting this flat? What is the length of the lease?

Odie

4,187 posts

189 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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If you arent clear just ask anyway, if you are willing to spend your time and money on improving their property, then it is unlikely they will say No (they may even be willing to put some money towards it). If they do say no their will be a very good reason imho.

NDA

22,304 posts

232 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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I have a couple of rental properties and I would be pretty anxious about a tenant taking up floorboards and installing stuff.

touching cloth

11,706 posts

246 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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I don't think this is a rental, it is an owned property but due to being a flat is on a leasehold rather than freehold.

NDA

22,304 posts

232 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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touching cloth said:
I don't think this is a rental, it is an owned property but due to being a flat is on a leasehold rather than freehold.
Ah! I saw the word 'landlord'.

I doubt a freeholder would mind - I wonder if there's a management company?

Sarah_W

Original Poster:

288 posts

187 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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It is indeed a leasehold flat. I've got 122 years left. I've heard that a lot of freeholders want money for changes and I'm also cncerned about listing too many items that may then introduce an extra delay in the freeholder replying and hence want to work out the minimum I need to ask permission for.

NDA

22,304 posts

232 months

Thursday 30th July 2009
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Are you friendly with any other owners in the property? Could their view be sought?

ridds

8,285 posts

251 months

Wednesday 5th August 2009
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You're done for.

My Leaseholder charges £80 to even read a request for changes. laugh

My neighbour wanted to remove a wall that created a larder in her kitchen, not structural in any way and was just in the way really, adding nothing to the property. She did as she was told filled in a load of forms and paid the money. They eventually said yes but it was a right pain.

Personally I'd just do what you want (within reason) most free holders haven;t even been in their properties for years.

Mine can fk off, they keep asking for extra money to put in Digital Ariel when we all already have Sky/Cable. Extra for works that haven;t been notified etc. gits.

blueg33

38,487 posts

231 months

Wednesday 5th August 2009
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I have dealt with property contracts and leases and freeholds daily for 24 years, both residential and commercial. In some cases my company is both Landlord and Tenant.

I believe that you will need permission from the freeholder, in many cases this will be the management company. Regretabbly many freeholders will make a charge for processing your request. If you are making structural changes you may need to advise your mortgage company, so check the terms of your mortgage too.

Having said that, if you dont seek the freeholder/Landlords permission you have to think about what could happen. They could take you to court and claim damages, they would have to prove that they sufferred a loss as a result of your actions. If they are really agressive they could seek an injunction. So you could ignore the contract provision and take a gamble. The other problem is that unauthorised alterations may cause problems when you come to sell.

Ultimately, your landlord has to be reasonable so will probably approve the works for a fee.

I hope this helps. PM me if you need more info