Any electricians - help!

[Mojooo]

I had a shower fitted by a 'proper' electrician last December. The PRD went so the manufactuerer sent me a new PRD to self fit which I have done.

I have 2 questions

Does the unit need to be sealed with silicon after I have done it? The guy who installed it put silicon down one side but not all around, he said it was sealed anyway
The actual installation guidelines say dont seal:

Aqualisa quartz electric = http://www.aqualisa.co.uk/upload/INSTALLATION%20GU...

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Secondly the wiring looks a bit shoddy to me- below are some links to some pictures, can anyone give me an opinion on wether they think they are safe or not?


http://img248.imageshack.us/i/img0557x.jpg/
http://img33.imageshack.us/i/img0558y.jpg/
http://img149.imageshack.us/i/img0559h.jpg/
http://img30.imageshack.us/i/img0560f.jpg/

Thoughts?

Quick rpelies appreciated as I can phone up an electrician if needed for tonight.

[xllifts]

Firstly GET YOUR QUALIFIED ELECTRICIAN IN switch it off and step away!

No earth sleeving is a

I would also be sceptical about the connections at your consumer unit or seperate trip as he has not used regulation coloured cable either.

Earth bonding is also an issue to get your sparky to check.

When i worked for a shower company we always sealed around the unit as a further precaution to prevent water ingress, and beware any electrical work in a bathroom is notifiable and requires a certificate.

My advice do not use until checked by suitably qualified electrician.

HTH
dave

[Mojooo]

I have a electrician coming tomorrow

he confirmed that there hsoudl be yellow and green sleeving around the other wire

I am slightly psised as this isn;t the first prob I have had with this electrician.

I am gonna get him to pay for this or take to small claims. barsteward

[Smiler.]

The termination of the cable conductors is piss-poor. Would it have killed the installer to have trimed & tidied the ends bfore terminations?

Obviously it would.

Also, is your photo rotated? The install guide shows the water connection bottom right (probably for a reason).

[Mojooo]

Yes, it is rotated.

[bdx]

If the installation was completed in December, it is obvious that old cable was used as the colour coding has changed. Some cable has a date stamp.
By the looks of the job, it has been maximum profit for minimum material cost and time.
Is the person an actual electrician?
Is he registered? If so, call the appropriate body.

[Mojooo]

yes he is an actual electrician
and local auth approved

[xllifts]

Mojooo said:

yes he is an actual electrician
and local auth approved

Without sounding malicious Report the fker! he could kill someone !

[Deva Link]

xllifts said:

Mojooo said:

yes he is an actual electrician
and local auth approved

Without sounding malicious Report the fker! he could kill someone !

What, by not sleeving the earth?

[xllifts]

Deva Link said:

xllifts said:

Mojooo said:

yes he is an actual electrician
and local auth approved

Without sounding malicious Report the fker! he could kill someone !

What, by not sleeving the earth?

Look at the overall care and attention paid to the rest of the electricians work on the shower, would you trust him ?

His work in those pictures shows sloppy workmanship a lack of regard for the reason of sleeving, not ensuring full insertion of bare wire in to connector and non compliant material ..... shall i carry on.

Remember this is a trusted profesional that joe public rely on to carry out work correctly, and he has not even carried out the basic requirement.

[King Herald]

Mojooo said:

I had a shower fitted by a 'proper' electrician last December. The PRD went so the manufactuerer sent me a new PRD to self fit which I have done.

I have 2 questions

Does the unit need to be sealed with silicon after I have done it?

We have a fairly expensive electric shower, forget the make right now, but I was very surprised that the removable cover front has an electronic board in, and is not watertight.

The element has burned out twice already, lasted 13 months each time, which is pretty normal when you have so much limescale in your water it is virtually mud.

[Deva Link]

xllifts said:

Deva Link said:

xllifts said:

Mojooo said:

yes he is an actual electrician
and local auth approved

Without sounding malicious Report the fker! he could kill someone !

What, by not sleeving the earth?

Look at the overall care and attention paid to the rest of the electricians work on the shower, would you trust him ?

His work in those pictures shows sloppy workmanship a lack of regard for the reason of sleeving, not ensuring full insertion of bare wire in to connector and non compliant material ..... shall i carry on.

Remember this is a trusted profesional that joe public rely on to carry out work correctly, and he has not even carried out the basic requirement.

It's not very neat but that doesn't mean it's dangerous.

[Mojooo]

Apparently Part P means you need to use newer cables

He used a cable that was already there - I was happy with this **if it was safe** due to the complex nature of putting a new wire in (read: cost).

I had a few quotes, and they all said the wire was OK to do the job, so I am not too concerned about the oldness of the wire - just how it has been connected.

[Ganglandboss]

Was this a full install (cable and shower) or a replacement of an old shower? The scabby old cable suggests it was already there. If it is the case, xllifts' comments about the cable colour and it being notifiable would not apply - you do not have to notify building control of a like-for-like replacement or change the cable.

He is spot on with the other comments - it is a piss poor job, the CPC should be sleeved, you should shop the cowboy and you certainly need to get a competent qualified spark in.

To answer the questions in the OP:

1. You shouldn't need to seal the unit if it is installed as per the manufacturer's instructions
2. The job is rough as a bear's arse and the alleged electrician needs fking with the wide end of the rag-man's bugle

When you get a spark in, he should check:

• The cable is correctly sized
• The connections in the consumer unit and local switch are sound
• The correct breaker is used
• The circuit is RCD protected
• The bonding is OK

If all is OK, he should sleeve the CPC and re-terminate the cable.


Dave - qualified spark

[Mojooo]

we had a shower and wire already there

i bought a new shower and he used the existing cable (with my consent) and put in new pipework and the shower

[Ganglandboss]

The cable colour isn't a problem then. He's still a though!

[sparkypete]

Fully agree with Dave, the cable colour is unimportant as the cable was existing and probably installed pre harmonisation.

The standard of his work is rough and totally unacceptable and you have every right to complain.

You should however give him the oppotunity to return and give him the chance to rectify his stty work prior to contra charging him after getting a third party involved.

Pete

[Mojooo]

what if you have lost faith in his ability to carry out the work - and you need your product urgently (i.e shower) ?

[Davi]

Mojooo said:

what if you have lost faith in his ability to carry out the work - and you need your product urgently (i.e shower) ?

personally I'd get the job done properly and bill him, though IIRC you do have to give someone the opportunity to put right dodgy work?

This is what really pisses me off about all the modern regulations - He can legally do a job that poor. I'd never dream of doing such a piss poor job as that. All my terminations are thought out, trimmed and I've been told often rather anal in neatness for something that will never be seen, but woe betide if I haven't got a bit of paper saying I'm certified...

[Mojooo]

electrician came today and fixed it - looks much better

cost £35. i will be billing the original guy

he also messed up some of the pipework, i will get quotes on that and also bill him.

Edited by Mojooo on Monday 27th July 22:15