Concerned about change of use to neighbour's property

Concerned about change of use to neighbour's property

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benawhile

Original Poster:

61 posts

158 months

Wednesday 28th May
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The house next door is being significantly altered. Every one of the five bedrooms is being fitted with en-suite and a maximum allowed height fence is erected. I suspect the new owners are intending to change it to supported accommodation or a care home but there are no planning applications on the Council website, yet.

Can I obtain information from any authority about what might happen to the site?

surfymark

895 posts

245 months

Thursday 29th May
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Your neighbour is creating an HMO which does not require Planning Permission, it can be done as Permitted Development (unless you are in an Article 4 area).

It will be shared housing of some kind, either rented on a room by room basis, or to a supported living provider.

Either way, ensuites to every room means they are looking to maximise income. That usually means high end tenants. So you probably won't even notice other than possibly more cars than normal.

HTH
Mark

benawhile

Original Poster:

61 posts

158 months

Thursday 29th May
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Helpful, thanks

geeks

10,403 posts

153 months

Thursday 29th May
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It might just be someone with 3 daughters. An old colleague has 3 daughters and when they moved they made sure every room had an ensuite as getting into the bathroom in the morning became almost impossible and the ensuing arguments were apparently the stuff of legend hehe (see Abu El Banat which I picked up from the West Wing and ended up nicknaming him Abu)

Could of course be a HMO.

Ziplobb

1,445 posts

298 months

Thursday 29th May
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loads of this going on around us on the Isle of Wight and single people being relocated from the mainland that have trouble communicated in shops/and or released from the prisons early to create space. More Linley an HMO than anything else there is big bucks involved - I have a couple of mates that are buying up any 3 bed semi ex council house a they are spacious and convert to 5 bedrooms really well.

Geoffcapes

944 posts

178 months

Monday 2nd June
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surfymark said:
Your neighbour is creating an HMO which does not require Planning Permission, it can be done as Permitted Development (unless you are in an Article 4 area).

It will be shared housing of some kind, either rented on a room by room basis, or to a supported living provider.

Either way, ensuites to every room means they are looking to maximise income. That usually means high end tenants. So you probably won't even notice other than possibly more cars than normal.

HTH
Mark
The HMO's near me are anything but high end tennants!


Defcon5

6,392 posts

205 months

Monday 2nd June
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I think surfymark has bought it and is trying to throw you off the scent


benawhile

Original Poster:

61 posts

158 months

Monday 2nd June
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haha, you must know him well!

Simpo Two

88,925 posts

279 months

Monday 2nd June
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If someone converts a house to HMO to maximise income I'd call that a business and should need PP.

surfymark

895 posts

245 months

Monday 2nd June
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Simpo Two said:
If someone converts a house to HMO to maximise income I'd call that a business and should need PP.
I would agree really. However, it works both way. If the owner owns it in personal names, they pay tax on the income (minus a 20% credit for finance costs) rather than the profit. If owned by a Ltd Company (i.e. a business) they pay tax on profit.

So is it a business or not? I would rather all BTL was counted as a business even if it meant PP on HMO Conversions personally.

Also note that if the new HMO is within an Article 4 area, PP is needed to do the HMO conversion. If not, it is done under PD rights.

Note also that A4 means requiring PP for any kind of alterations done to the property, not just a full HMO conversion. There is also a lot of research showing that properties within A4 areas decrease quite heavily in value (I guess because there are less potential buyers combined with the difficulty in being about to alter the property easily).

surfymark

895 posts

245 months

Monday 2nd June
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Defcon5 said:
I think surfymark has bought it and is trying to throw you off the scent
biglaugh

PurpleFox

474 posts

99 months

Monday 2nd June
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The comment about the tall fence makes me think supported living of some sort…..

Sy1441

1,282 posts

174 months

Wednesday 11th June
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We've done this with some of our stock as the authorities are paying very well on long term contracts for asylum seekers.

Little Lofty

3,600 posts

165 months

Wednesday 11th June
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It may not need PP but they do require building regs and sign off by licensing, they have to be done to a reasonable standard. I’ve just done a 6 bed and spent £150k on it, it’s probably the best house in the street now.

Edited by Little Lofty on Wednesday 11th June 17:31

jezhumphrey75

298 posts

162 months

Thursday 12th June
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Sy1441 said:
We've done this with some of our stock as the authorities are paying very well on long term contracts for asylum seekers.
thats pretty scummy of you, well done.

valiant

12,241 posts

174 months

Thursday 12th June
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jezhumphrey75 said:
Sy1441 said:
We've done this with some of our stock as the authorities are paying very well on long term contracts for asylum seekers.
thats pretty scummy of you, well done.
Why?

judas

6,154 posts

273 months

Thursday 12th June
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Our next door neighbour has done the same - converted half his home into five bedsits. Pretty sure building regs and minimum room sizes have been completely ignored. His plumber/gas fitter had to come onto our land to route a pipe - he didn't even seem to know what GasSafe is. redcard

Olivera

8,102 posts

253 months

Thursday 12th June
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surfymark said:
Either way, ensuites to every room means they are looking to maximise income. That usually means high end tenants.
rofl