Facia and guttering

[fourstardan]

I know it's not easy but i've got a 4 bed house detached that needs its guttering and facias done.

Everyone in the road has had a box over of the wooden, im not completely sure about this but redoing it all again could be expensive I think.

Would wood still be used though or would it just be more investment in UPVC?

First quote from a guy I know from my golf club....£6700
Another bloke who quoted last year who does it himself and up ladders...£3500.

Ladder man is coming around tomorrow for a requote.

Anyone got rough costs from a 4 bed detached to compare?

[J6542]

Anyone doing it off ladders is a chancer, you at least need a couple of tower scaffolds. Depending on the exact style of your house it’s about 4- 5 days work for 2 men, with scaffold and skip hire there is £2.5k to £3k before any materials. Make sure both are quoting like for like, full removal, replacement of soffits and 18mm fascia.

[Rob.]

I recently bought the materials to DIY it. 20m run of 225mm vented soffits and fascias with trims, nails, end boards etc came to £250. Gutters will probably be another £80 or so.

[StreetDragster]

I have a 4 bed detached and I'm going through the quote stage at the moment.

All film covered (i.w black over white, like coloured windows) facias, soffits, barge boards and gutters in the North West.


2x scaffolding towers required for the gable ends.
Quote 1- £4k plus scaffolding
Quote 2- £6k inc scaffolding
Quote 3- £5k plus scaffolding

Hope that helps

[Ryyy]

Worth quoting a scaffold and seeing how much someone would charge to just turn up and fit?

[fourstardan]

Cheers for input so far.

The ladder guy has done two local properties and worked for a glazing firm before he went on his own. I've looked and you can get a scissor lift or platform job from HSS for about 150 quid for five days, surely better than ladders.

A scaffold appears to be the bulk of the issue around cost when you go to bigger traders. H&S gone mad now days, but for good reasons.

Looking on eurocell You can get capping board for 67 quid for 5m run, guttering, fixings, everything else I reckon so estimate 5-800 quid for the UPVC materials.

[J6542]

fourstardan said:

Cheers for input so far.

The ladder guy has done two local properties and worked for a glazing firm before he went on his own. I've looked and you can get a scissor lift or platform job from HSS for about 150 quid for five days, surely better than ladders.

A scaffold appears to be the bulk of the issue around cost when you go to bigger traders. H&S gone mad now days, but for good reasons.

Looking on eurocell You can get capping board for 67 quid for 5m run, guttering, fixings, everything else I reckon so estimate 5-800 quid for the UPVC materials.

Capping board is a bodge job, that’s why he is doing it of ladders, to do it properly, you remove all the old soffits and fascia.

[fourstardan]

J6542 said:

Capping board is a bodge job, that’s why he is doing it of ladders, to do it properly, you remove all the old soffits and fascia.

Can you pay for it?

[megaphone]

A normal two story house is easily doable off ladders. No need for scaffold or towers. £4-5K for over uPVC boarding, black is more expensive than white. Worth getting decent quality guttering. Osma is good, but expensive.

[fourstardan]

megaphone said:

A normal two story house is easily doable off ladders. No need for scaffold or towers. £4-5K for over uPVC boarding, black is more expensive than white. Worth getting decent quality guttering. Osma is good, but expensive.

It's the guttering thats more important.

It's funny, when you do the research on "UPVC Facia boarding" you just get the roofing companies explaining how much of a problem it is.

I would expect to be replacing rotten sections of board yes, but the woods not rotten.

[megaphone]

fourstardan said:

megaphone said:

A normal two story house is easily doable off ladders. No need for scaffold or towers. £4-5K for over uPVC boarding, black is more expensive than white. Worth getting decent quality guttering. Osma is good, but expensive.

It's the guttering thats more important.

It's funny, when you do the research on "UPVC Facia boarding" you just get the roofing companies explaining how much of a problem it is.

I would expect to be replacing rotten sections of board yes, but the woods not rotten.

The wood rots due to the tiles sitting on-top of it, when the cladding is fitted it is slightly oversized and will push the tiles up off the existing boards.

Nothing wrong over cladding, in many ways it is a better option than full removal & replacement. There are no real downsides as long as the existing boards are not totally rotten.

Note if there is no under felt/membrane in place then you may get staining from the tiles, especially if they are cement tiles. Water can seep down across the facia. This looks worse on black facias. I've over come this by pushing in a membrane under the bottom rows of tiles, this diverts the rainwater into the gutter.

[fourstardan]

megaphone said:

The wood rots due to the tiles sitting on-top of it, when the cladding is fitted it is slightly oversized and will push the tiles up off the existing boards.

Nothing wrong over cladding, in many ways it is a better option than full removal & replacement. There are no real downsides as long as the existing boards are not totally rotten.

Note if there is no under felt/membrane in place then you may get staining from the tiles, especially if they are cement tiles. Water can seep down across the facia. This looks worse on black facias. I've over come this by pushing in a membrane under the bottom rows of tiles, this diverts the rainwater into the gutter.

Thanks for the input.

Also you've reminded my ignorant brain actually to get in the loft and do the post winter inspection of any issues lol.

[Belle427]

Funny shaped 4 bed here, cost us £6k a few years back.
This was over existing wood which was sound but you do need to make sure there is no rot and it's gone into the roof timber ends.
I did the membrane over fascias too, think it was dpc roll tucked under the tiles and into guttering.

Edited by Belle427 on Friday 4th April 12:24

[hotchy]

Done my own and your qoutes seriously scare me. I must have bodged it because I used a ladder lol.

[megaphone]

Belle427 said:

Funny shaped 4 bed here, cost us £6k a few years back.
This was over existing wood which was sound but you do need to make sure there is no rot and it's gone into the roof timber ends.
I did the membrane over fascias too, think it was dpc roll tucked under the tiles and into guttering.

Edited by Belle427 on Friday 4th April 12:24

Yes a roll of DPC is what I use, pushes up nicely under the tiles.

[fourstardan]

Saga continues.

Ladder man came back....now wants 5k, quoted 3.5k in Oct 23. Is it that greedy out there?

I've run some rough quotes for the Soffit, fascia and guttering and corners, cheapest is about £1200 at the moment, based on him using ladders thats not a bad bit of coin for a week (that will be from someone else not me)

I'm contemplating doing the fit on my garage section of the house to build a bit of confidence and maybe even take up running a business myself based on the mark up some of this lot want!

[Belle427]

Not sure how anyone can do a decent job off ladders to be honest.

[8-P]

Guy who did mine and then a few years later my neighbours used ladders and some clever platform things. He was a few k cheaper than the scaffold gang and 8 years later still good other than brown gutters now going a bit white where they get the most sun.

[Ryyy]

fourstardan said:

Saga continues.

Ladder man came back....now wants 5k, quoted 3.5k in Oct 23. Is it that greedy out there?

I've run some rough quotes for the Soffit, fascia and guttering and corners, cheapest is about £1200 at the moment, based on him using ladders thats not a bad bit of coin for a week (that will be from someone else not me)

I'm contemplating doing the fit on my garage section of the house to build a bit of confidence and maybe even take up running a business myself based on the mark up some of this lot want!

That qoute was 2 years ago.i don't work for what I was on 2 years ago, everything's going up materials included.

Howdens qouted me a kitchen and by the time I got round to doing it everything had gone up. Get a qoute for a scaffold and see how much someone would charge to turn up and fit it.

Also regarding mark up, I get it. Some of the prices on here make me want to take on my own work but that's another story. Businesses want everything and its either they're a good business or just eye watering and you find some local body to do it without all the over heads of a business. We had some work qouted recently and the dearest was the one that turned up in posh pick up,watch and clean gear. Not work trousers and a van that I expected I'm not saying people should work for peanuts I get it, I'm a joiner but some people just a want a living, some people want more and some people are running a business.

Edited by Ryyy on Saturday 5th April 20:44

Edited by Ryyy on Saturday 5th April 20:45

[fourstardan]

Ryyy said:

That qoute was 2 years ago.i don't work for what I was on 2 years ago, everything's going up materials included.

Howdens qouted me a kitchen and by the time I got round to doing it everything had gone up. Get a qoute for a scaffold and see how much someone would charge to turn up and fit it.

Also regarding mark up, I get it. Some of the prices on here make me want to take on my own work but that's another story. Businesses want everything and its either they're a good business or just eye watering and you find some local body to do it without all the over heads of a business. We had some work qouted recently and the dearest was the one that turned up in posh pick up,watch and clean gear. Not work trousers and a van that I expected I'm not saying people should work for peanuts I get it, I'm a joiner but some people just a want a living, some people want more and some people are running a business.

Edited by Ryyy on Saturday 5th April 20:44

Edited by Ryyy on Saturday 5th April 20:45

UPVC hasn't gone up that much in 18 months, he's chanced his arm.

As for flashy vans, yes I get it, ladder man's was an X reg Transit lol.