Air source heat pump exhaust

Air source heat pump exhaust

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b14

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1,196 posts

200 months

Wednesday 2nd April
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We've just had an ASHP installed to heat our pool - first world problem incoming.

The ASHP is installed around the side of the pool shed and exhausts into an area that has pretty good airflow in from the top and sides of the pump, but the exhaust itself (which is v cold) pushes out into a wooded, bushy area which to an extent blocks or rebounds the exhausted, colder air, so it does feel noticeably colder around the ASHP, which I'm sure affects efficiency. Based on the reading from the ASHP it is receiving air which is roughly 3 degrees colder than ambient.

My question is whether anyone has ever seen any kind of exhaust trunking or similar applied to an ASHP to direct the exhaust a little further away from the unit? Essentially what I'm envisaging is a tube roughly attached to the exhaust of the ASHP, maybe 10 feet long, that channels the exhaust through the bushes and away from the unit itself. I've tried some googling but nothing obvious comes up. Is this stupid / not worth it?

PS I miss my gas boiler which was a beast at heating the pool but pretty sketchy in terms of safety.

miniman

27,604 posts

274 months

Wednesday 2nd April
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paralla

4,447 posts

147 months

Wednesday 2nd April
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You need to be careful about restricting the air flow through the unit. These deflectors are reasonably common in Australia where heat pumps are generally used for cooling rather than heating so they encourage the hot air to rise rather than hang about reducing efficiency by being sucked back in.

https://www.ozaironline.com.au/products/air-divert...

Cheib

24,237 posts

187 months

Wednesday 2nd April
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The installation manual should say what the guidelines are for clearance etc ?

Sounds like whatever is interfering with the exhaust it must be pretty close to have the impact you say ?

Our heat pump is the standard air gets sucked in the back and pushed out the front. With ours I think the obstruction would have to be very close and pretty solid to impact the temperature of the air that gets drawn in to the unit

b14

Original Poster:

1,196 posts

200 months

Wednesday 2nd April
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The rubbish chute isn't actually a terrible idea....

I'll take a photo in the light tomorrow. It's got pretty good airflow for the exhaust so perhaps I'm being precious but with a barry-sized exhaust pipe I suspect I can direct the flow even better. The exhaust is bloody freezing and definitely there is some exhaust flow making its way back into the inlet.

POIDH

1,504 posts

77 months

Wednesday 2nd April
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Can you build some slats which redirect the exhaust away? Could be better to have modest flow losses balanced against colder ambient?

It's surprised me that many heat pumps are put in the shade...

IANAHPE

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10,666 posts

48 months

Thursday 3rd April
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I’m probably stupid but I thought heat pumps sucked air in the front to draw out any heat in the air?

skeeterm5

4,169 posts

200 months

Thursday 3rd April
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119 said:
I’m probably stupid but I thought heat pumps sucked air in the front to draw out any heat in the air?
Ours used to draw air in at the back and blow it out of the front, the air being blown out was noticeably cold.

biggiles

1,894 posts

237 months

Friday 4th April
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In my experience the exhaust from an ASHP pool heater is pretty big. Adding an exhaust pipe (of even that size) would restrict the airflow, and affect efficiency. (Ideally you want masses of hot air going through the ASHP, and every degree counts).

Is it possible to remove the bushes, or move the ASHP?

Jeremy-75qq8

1,317 posts

104 months

Friday 4th April
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Putting something 10 ft long will put a lot of static pressure in the system and in effect stop it working.

OutInTheShed

10,599 posts

38 months

Friday 4th April
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b14 said:
We've just had an ASHP installed to heat our pool - first world problem incoming.

The ASHP is installed around the side of the pool shed and exhausts into an area that has pretty good airflow in from the top and sides of the pump, but the exhaust itself (which is v cold) pushes out into a wooded, bushy area which to an extent blocks or rebounds the exhausted, colder air, so it does feel noticeably colder around the ASHP, which I'm sure affects efficiency. Based on the reading from the ASHP it is receiving air which is roughly 3 degrees colder than ambient.

My question is whether anyone has ever seen any kind of exhaust trunking or similar applied to an ASHP to direct the exhaust a little further away from the unit? Essentially what I'm envisaging is a tube roughly attached to the exhaust of the ASHP, maybe 10 feet long, that channels the exhaust through the bushes and away from the unit itself. I've tried some googling but nothing obvious comes up. Is this stupid / not worth it?

PS I miss my gas boiler which was a beast at heating the pool but pretty sketchy in terms of safety.
A lot of arm waving in this thread.

Somebody, somewhere should be able to tell you what the effect of that 3 degree drop in the local temperature would be, in terms of reduced COP of the heat pump. Maybe there's a chart in the manual?
The data I've seen for one ASHP suggested it didn't make much difference, until the ambient drops to about 10degC, then the slope gets a bit steeper.
The evaporator will always be colder than the incoming air.

caziques

2,686 posts

180 months

Saturday 5th April
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3 degrees is about 10% loss in efficiency.

OutInTheShed

10,599 posts

38 months

Saturday 5th April
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caziques said:
3 degrees is about 10% loss in efficiency.
Is that 10% as in dropping from about 430% to 420%?

Or 10% more electricity for the same heat?