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Hello all some help if I may
Warwickshire district council have, like others been charged with developing huge new housing targets. I've heard 15000 homes bandied about. One of the favoured proposals is a settlement of 6700 homes in greenbelt land, between the villages of Bearley, Wilmcote and Pathlow (yellow block below)
We've been invited to comment and as a resident I wish to object but want to do so in a relevant fashion, probably a bit nimby but its a major development and I'd like my say. Potentially 15000 people introduced into a greenbelt area with a current population of around1500 (1 pub,1 shop, 2 x village halls, 2 x local unmanned railway stations, but few other amenities)
Increased traffic volume (already a problem) on Birmingham Rd, Aston Cantlow Rd, Gospel Oak Lane and Bearley road is one but what other points should I raise?
Warwickshire district council have, like others been charged with developing huge new housing targets. I've heard 15000 homes bandied about. One of the favoured proposals is a settlement of 6700 homes in greenbelt land, between the villages of Bearley, Wilmcote and Pathlow (yellow block below)
We've been invited to comment and as a resident I wish to object but want to do so in a relevant fashion, probably a bit nimby but its a major development and I'd like my say. Potentially 15000 people introduced into a greenbelt area with a current population of around1500 (1 pub,1 shop, 2 x village halls, 2 x local unmanned railway stations, but few other amenities)
Increased traffic volume (already a problem) on Birmingham Rd, Aston Cantlow Rd, Gospel Oak Lane and Bearley road is one but what other points should I raise?
Edited by Huzzah on Tuesday 28th January 15:10
We had similar a few miles up the road, circa 20K new homes all greenbelt, country lanes that can barely accomodate the current usage, it would affect another village more than ours. Part of the plan hinged upon HS2 as they had bought up quite a lot of land a few miles away and the current main line would need it's own station building to help ease the travel demand.
As HS2 has been canned currently it help stall the planning for now as there's no way the current infrastructure could handle any uplift.
Is that an angle?
As HS2 has been canned currently it help stall the planning for now as there's no way the current infrastructure could handle any uplift.
Is that an angle?
I've no idea how these things work but I'm guessing a lot of backhanders, politics, and general shenanigans is involved.
Suspiciously nice bit of countryside is highlighted on that plan considering there's plenty of uglier bits of Warwickshire that could be developed - maybe the council has put this forwards knowing that there's going to be a load of objections and it would give them ammunition to kill it?
On the wider point probably most of us have suffered from random unsensible local housing developments so I don't see why others can't share the pain.
Suspiciously nice bit of countryside is highlighted on that plan considering there's plenty of uglier bits of Warwickshire that could be developed - maybe the council has put this forwards knowing that there's going to be a load of objections and it would give them ammunition to kill it?
On the wider point probably most of us have suffered from random unsensible local housing developments so I don't see why others can't share the pain.
Freakuk said:
We had similar a few miles up the road, circa 20K new homes all greenbelt, country lanes that can barely accomodate the current usage, it would affect another village more than ours. Part of the plan hinged upon HS2 as they had bought up quite a lot of land a few miles away and the current main line would need it's own station building to help ease the travel demand.
As HS2 has been canned currently it help stall the planning for now as there's no way the current infrastructure could handle any uplift.
Is that an angle?
I don't see how HS2 could affect this site, but thanks anyway. As HS2 has been canned currently it help stall the planning for now as there's no way the current infrastructure could handle any uplift.
Is that an angle?
Peterpetrole said:
I've no idea how these things work but I'm guessing a lot of backhanders, politics, and general shenanigans is involved.
You're right, you don't have any idea how these things work.OP - some context to inform what you are looking at. Stratford and Warwick are preparing a new Joint Local Plan which will plan for the development needs of the two areas over the next 25 years. Over that period, nearly 55,000 new homes need to be provided to meet the minimum requirement set by Government. The parcel of land identified on your screen shot is one of 35 areas identified as Spatial Growth Strategy Options, and 12 of those are new settlements such as the one you are interested in. Not all of the 35 options will be needed in order to meet the 55,000 home target.
anotherbigspender said:
Peterpetrole said:
I've no idea how these things work but I'm guessing a lot of backhanders, politics, and general shenanigans is involved.
You're right, you don't have any idea how these things work.OP - some context to inform what you are looking at. Stratford and Warwick are preparing a new Joint Local Plan which will plan for the development needs of the two areas over the next 25 years. Over that period, nearly 55,000 new homes need to be provided to meet the minimum requirement set by Government. The parcel of land identified on your screen shot is one of 35 areas identified as Spatial Growth Strategy Options, and 12 of those are new settlements such as the one you are interested in. Not all of the 35 options will be needed in order to meet the 55,000 home target.
To have any meaningful input you would need to fund a pretty large scale consultation. I doubt you have the time or energy even if you had the funds.
At some point where you live was greenbelt even if it was 400 years ago, people need homes and they want to live in nice parts of the country like where you live.
Huzzah said:
Hello all some help if I may
Warwickshire district council have, like others been charged with developing huge new housing targets. I've heard 15000 homes bandied about. One of the favoured proposals is a settlement of 6700 homes in greenbelt land, between the villages of Bearley, Wilmcote and Pathlow (yellow block below)
We've been invited to comment and as a resident I wish to object but want to do so in a relevant fashion, probably a bit nimby but its a major development and I'd like my say. Potentially 15000 people introduced into a greenbelt area with a current population of around1500 (1 pub,1 shop, 2 x village halls, 2 x local unmanned railway stations, but few other amenities)
Increased traffic volume (already a problem) on Birmingham Rd, Aston Cantlow Rd, Gospel Oak Lane and Bearley road is one but what other points should I raise?
What other points should you raise? I think to be honest if you can’t think of any then what exactly is it you’re objecting to? I realise you say yourself it’s a bit NIMBY, but if you can’t think of any reasons why the development shouldn’t go ahead then it really is just NIMBYism. Sorry OP if my post sounds harsh, and yes I’d be exactly the same, but all these houses have to go somewhere - is there any reason why they shouldn’t go there, other than you don’t like it?Warwickshire district council have, like others been charged with developing huge new housing targets. I've heard 15000 homes bandied about. One of the favoured proposals is a settlement of 6700 homes in greenbelt land, between the villages of Bearley, Wilmcote and Pathlow (yellow block below)
We've been invited to comment and as a resident I wish to object but want to do so in a relevant fashion, probably a bit nimby but its a major development and I'd like my say. Potentially 15000 people introduced into a greenbelt area with a current population of around1500 (1 pub,1 shop, 2 x village halls, 2 x local unmanned railway stations, but few other amenities)
Increased traffic volume (already a problem) on Birmingham Rd, Aston Cantlow Rd, Gospel Oak Lane and Bearley road is one but what other points should I raise?
Edited by Huzzah on Tuesday 28th January 15:10
I haven't read all the replies but the key things would be the impact on local schools, GPs, dentists etc as well as sewerage. Traffic at key junctions would be hilarious in the morning and evenings without traffic light planning and/or widening of roads, too.
Ultimately, though, if you have kids then you'll want there to be houses because we're a growing population and the fewer houses available, the higher the house prices. I doubt prices will drop but having 20k houses built in the local area will slow down the increase at least.
OTOH, if you don't have kids, f
k everyone, enjoy the soaring house prices and campaign hard to have the houses built somewhere else. 
Ultimately, though, if you have kids then you'll want there to be houses because we're a growing population and the fewer houses available, the higher the house prices. I doubt prices will drop but having 20k houses built in the local area will slow down the increase at least.
OTOH, if you don't have kids, f
k everyone, enjoy the soaring house prices and campaign hard to have the houses built somewhere else. Antony Moxey said:
Huzzah said:
Hello all some help if I may
Warwickshire district council have, like others been charged with developing huge new housing targets. I've heard 15000 homes bandied about. One of the favoured proposals is a settlement of 6700 homes in greenbelt land, between the villages of Bearley, Wilmcote and Pathlow (yellow block below)
We've been invited to comment and as a resident I wish to object but want to do so in a relevant fashion, probably a bit nimby but its a major development and I'd like my say. Potentially 15000 people introduced into a greenbelt area with a current population of around1500 (1 pub,1 shop, 2 x village halls, 2 x local unmanned railway stations, but few other amenities)
Increased traffic volume (already a problem) on Birmingham Rd, Aston Cantlow Rd, Gospel Oak Lane and Bearley road is one but what other points should I raise?
What other points should you raise? I think to be honest if you can’t think of any then what exactly is it you’re objecting to? I realise you say yourself it’s a bit NIMBY, but if you can’t think of any reasons why the development shouldn’t go ahead then it really is just NIMBYism. Sorry OP if my post sounds harsh, and yes I’d be exactly the same, but all these houses have to go somewhere - is there any reason why they shouldn’t go there, other than you don’t like it?Warwickshire district council have, like others been charged with developing huge new housing targets. I've heard 15000 homes bandied about. One of the favoured proposals is a settlement of 6700 homes in greenbelt land, between the villages of Bearley, Wilmcote and Pathlow (yellow block below)
We've been invited to comment and as a resident I wish to object but want to do so in a relevant fashion, probably a bit nimby but its a major development and I'd like my say. Potentially 15000 people introduced into a greenbelt area with a current population of around1500 (1 pub,1 shop, 2 x village halls, 2 x local unmanned railway stations, but few other amenities)
Increased traffic volume (already a problem) on Birmingham Rd, Aston Cantlow Rd, Gospel Oak Lane and Bearley road is one but what other points should I raise?
Edited by Huzzah on Tuesday 28th January 15:10
Rather than go in with a solid objection, to say you don't want it built there at all, why not work on a compromise?
Look at other areas around the country that have been (or are due to be) developed, with their infrastructure. Try and work out what a more sustainable number of homes would be, gather evidence and propose fewer (potentially bigger) homes. State what new infrastructure you think is needed, again, based on evidence and guidance.
This has worked in some areas, admittedly a few years ago, but I think developers and LPAs are more receptive to compromises to keep people happy than complainers who just object out of principle.
Look at other areas around the country that have been (or are due to be) developed, with their infrastructure. Try and work out what a more sustainable number of homes would be, gather evidence and propose fewer (potentially bigger) homes. State what new infrastructure you think is needed, again, based on evidence and guidance.
This has worked in some areas, admittedly a few years ago, but I think developers and LPAs are more receptive to compromises to keep people happy than complainers who just object out of principle.
anotherbigspender said:
Peterpetrole said:
I've no idea how these things work but I'm guessing a lot of backhanders, politics, and general shenanigans is involved.
You're right, you don't have any idea how these things work.OP - some context to inform what you are looking at. Stratford and Warwick are preparing a new Joint Local Plan which will plan for the development needs of the two areas over the next 25 years. Over that period, nearly 55,000 new homes need to be provided to meet the minimum requirement set by Government. The parcel of land identified on your screen shot is one of 35 areas identified as Spatial Growth Strategy Options, and 12 of those are new settlements such as the one you are interested in. Not all of the 35 options will be needed in order to meet the 55,000 home target.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...
"The initial complaint arose after Cllr Williams posted comments on Twitter in January relating to the council’s planning website not working, which left some residents being unable to comment on a controversial application on green belt land.
In his tweet, Cllr Williams said the planning portal has been down for over 12 hours, writing: “Is this an attempt to stop people from objecting?”, adding that he would be asking for an extension to the consultation deadline."
https://www.lgcplus.com/archive/warwick-dc-plannin...
"A Midlands local authority was last night at the centre of a fraud inquiry following the arrest of one of its senior executives, the Financial Times reports (p12). The story is also given front page coverage in the Birmingham Post which says an internal inquiry has been launched by the council and auditors have been alerted.
The chief planning officer, Geoffrey Wilson, at Warwick DC was arrested after a year-long police inquiry, the FT reports. It says that Warwick police said the inquiry involved planning applications for housing and industrial developments"
Hoofy said:
I haven't read all the replies but the key things would be the impact on local schools, GPs, dentists etc as well as sewerage. Traffic at key junctions would be hilarious in the morning and evenings without traffic light planning and/or widening of roads, too.
Ultimately, though, if you have kids then you'll want there to be houses because we're a growing population and the fewer houses available, the higher the house prices. I doubt prices will drop but having 20k houses built in the local area will slow down the increase at least.
OTOH, if you don't have kids, fk everyone, enjoy the soaring house prices and campaign hard to have the houses built somewhere else.
The Birmingham rd is pretty busy during peak times, main route to Birmingham, Solihull and the M40. A couple of bottlenecks further up (Wootton Wawen & Henley in Arden) which nothing much could be done about. The A46 struggles to cope forcing traffic onto the already stretched local roads. Ultimately, though, if you have kids then you'll want there to be houses because we're a growing population and the fewer houses available, the higher the house prices. I doubt prices will drop but having 20k houses built in the local area will slow down the increase at least.
OTOH, if you don't have kids, f
k everyone, enjoy the soaring house prices and campaign hard to have the houses built somewhere else. Freakuk said:
We had similar a few miles up the road, circa 20K new homes all greenbelt, country lanes that can barely accomodate the current usage, it would affect another village more than ours. Part of the plan hinged upon HS2 as they had bought up quite a lot of land a few miles away and the current main line would need it's own station building to help ease the travel demand.
As HS2 has been canned currently it help stall the planning for now as there's no way the current infrastructure could handle any uplift.
Is that an angle?
They’ll have a survey or report saying it’ll all be ok because “reasons”As HS2 has been canned currently it help stall the planning for now as there's no way the current infrastructure could handle any uplift.
Is that an angle?
Go back over the last 10yrs of PP and I can guarantee loads of small plots will have been denied on the basis of the reasons that now won’t be a problem, somehow.
It’s happening. They’ll be more horrid than anything that’s come before if they’re going up in this socio-economic climate. Move.
I wonder what the local infrastructure proposals are?
Where I used to live they dumped thousands of 'cookie cutter' homes in a village that previously had just a few hundred residents. The tiny local (5 miles away) doctors surgery was swamped, A&E waits at the local hospital is now easily over 5 hours, the local state school is rammed full (waiting list) and the small rail station had hardly any parking to begin with.
But, sod the locals and their previously functioning community - income for the myopic council and profits for the house builders.
Where I used to live they dumped thousands of 'cookie cutter' homes in a village that previously had just a few hundred residents. The tiny local (5 miles away) doctors surgery was swamped, A&E waits at the local hospital is now easily over 5 hours, the local state school is rammed full (waiting list) and the small rail station had hardly any parking to begin with.
But, sod the locals and their previously functioning community - income for the myopic council and profits for the house builders.
Kwackersaki said:
It’s bad now but you can forget driving into Stratford if that goes ahead.
The A3400 through Wootton Wawen is also like a racetrack at certain times, people doing well in excess of 40-50mph.
Aren’t they also looking at building on the old golf course just outside Henley-in-Arden?
That's a good point, not sure what's going on at Henley although I heard the figure of 2500 dwellings. The A3400 through Wootton Wawen is also like a racetrack at certain times, people doing well in excess of 40-50mph.
Aren’t they also looking at building on the old golf course just outside Henley-in-Arden?
There's the nature angle to pick up on of course. Are there any AONBs, SSSIs, nature reserves, rare species habitats etc that the proposed new housing estates will smother over ? The Warwickshire Wildlife Trust would be a good source for that sort of info.
With regards to traffic chaos and Stratford the worst jam I can remember was a Saturday evening a few years ago when the Global Gathering festival was being held at Long Marston airfield (now disappearing under a housing estate). The queue of ravers in their cars stretched from the airfield gates back up the B4632 to Stratford,. through Stratford, out the other side, and up the A439 all the way to the roundabout with the A46, at the top of the hill from the M40 junction 15.
I wasn't in the queue but driving past in the other direction.
With regards to traffic chaos and Stratford the worst jam I can remember was a Saturday evening a few years ago when the Global Gathering festival was being held at Long Marston airfield (now disappearing under a housing estate). The queue of ravers in their cars stretched from the airfield gates back up the B4632 to Stratford,. through Stratford, out the other side, and up the A439 all the way to the roundabout with the A46, at the top of the hill from the M40 junction 15.
I wasn't in the queue but driving past in the other direction.
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