Socket outlet with "plug in" type connectors
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Pitre said:
Not sure what you mean. Maybe post a photo or link to the one you have found?
I assume the OP means these with a Wago type connector for the wiring.https://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-logic-plus-rapid-fix...
shtu said:
It's the kind of thing that looks good in theory, but I've never touched a socket that was as neat and tidy as the ones in those product photos.
Why the aversion to a screwdriver?
Because most DIYers (not casting aspersions!) aren't anywhere near as good as they think they are, and most DIYers don't do screws up anywhere near tight enough, causing long-term issues such as overheating and arcing.Why the aversion to a screwdriver?
For what it's worth, these sockets are a great idea for anyone doing DIY, provided that the cable is correctly in the terminal; they are foolproof. Make sure they are tightly in there, and pull them hard after to make sure they don't dislodge.
You're after an MK Logic Plus Rapid Fix socket, by the way!
EDIT: just seen the link, that's exactly it.
I use MK Logic Plus Rapid Fix sockets to absolve me of having to under tighten or over tighten the screws or worry about doubling over a single conductor.
All the conductor wires are kept separate which is nice and neat but often the earth wire on the existing cables are too short and mangled and need a bit of work.
It is very easy to inset a conductor but miss the latching hole and so it is not connected but it is easy to give a tug to check that you got it in.
All the conductor wires are kept separate which is nice and neat but often the earth wire on the existing cables are too short and mangled and need a bit of work.
It is very easy to inset a conductor but miss the latching hole and so it is not connected but it is easy to give a tug to check that you got it in.
DorsetSparky said:
shtu said:
It's the kind of thing that looks good in theory, but I've never touched a socket that was as neat and tidy as the ones in those product photos.
Why the aversion to a screwdriver?
Because most DIYers (not casting aspersions!) aren't anywhere near as good as they think they are, and most DIYers don't do screws up anywhere near tight enough, causing long-term issues such as overheating and arcing.Why the aversion to a screwdriver?
For what it's worth, these sockets are a great idea for anyone doing DIY, provided that the cable is correctly in the terminal; they are foolproof. Make sure they are tightly in there, and pull them hard after to make sure they don't dislodge.
You're after an MK Logic Plus Rapid Fix socket, by the way!
EDIT: just seen the link, that's exactly it.
d to work with on sockets where the drops were from above, especially if the back box is shallow. LooneyTunes said:
As a DIY perspective, the drawback with those is that the holes in each wago are close together and all enter from the bottom. You also need to be more precise with stripping lengths. Bought about half a dozen or so and found them to be much harder, fiddlier, (and slower) to use than the conventional MKs where it’s trivially easy to hook them up. They’d be an absolute bd to work with on sockets where the drops were from above, especially if the back box is shallow.
d to work with on sockets where the drops were from above, especially if the back box is shallow. All fair points too. Different strokes for different folks.....nothing is 100% foolproof, but these do seem to address some issues that people have.
Simpo Two said:
Actual said:
...or worry about doubling over a single conductor.
Isn't there the same problem to consider before you snap the lever down?(I'm not an electrician so why would doubling a conductor be a worry anyway?)
I'd been using push in connections for switches and sockets in France for years before I moved to Spain. Not quite as common here so I have to look a bit harder for kit. Far better than a screw termination and I've yet to have one go loose. Why you'd want the extra faff of a screw I don't know.....
Griffith4ever said:
DorsetSparky said:
All fair points too. Different strokes for different folks.....nothing is 100% foolproof, but these do seem to address some issues that people have.
I consider myself lucky to have found an electrician who I can trust to carry out works without checking it afterwards. He's very competent and I'm happy for him to do the notifiable works that I'm not allowed to. Previous electricians (all qualified and NICEIC registered) have all proved incapable of consistently completing jobs correctly, to the point It was far easier to do it myself.
When so many of the professionals are this poor I hate to think what the average Joe would leave. Just tightening terminal screws is well up on the list of tasks that I've seen the professionals fall well short on.
Richard-D said:
Griffith4ever said:
DorsetSparky said:
All fair points too. Different strokes for different folks.....nothing is 100% foolproof, but these do seem to address some issues that people have.
I consider myself lucky to have found an electrician who I can trust to carry out works without checking it afterwards. He's very competent and I'm happy for him to do the notifiable works that I'm not allowed to. Previous electricians (all qualified and NICEIC registered) have all proved incapable of consistently completing jobs correctly, to the point It was far easier to do it myself.
When so many of the professionals are this poor I hate to think what the average Joe would leave. Just tightening terminal screws is well up on the list of tasks that I've seen the professionals fall well short on.
If I handed a chock block to anyone I know, with a screwdriver, and a bare wire, and said, tighten the screw until the wire is held in firmly, I'm confident they'd all managed this hugely taxing task.
The sockets linked above seem to a be a solution to a problem I never knew existed, and I'm a fan of Wagos.
BTW - there isn't any electrical work you are "not allowed" to do. You just have to have it inspected and submit notifications where applicable. Neither of which I've ever done, as a) no one will ever know b) I can tighten screws :-)
smokey mow said:
Pitre said:
Not sure what you mean. Maybe post a photo or link to the one you have found?
I assume the OP means these with a Wago type connector for the wiring.https://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-logic-plus-rapid-fix...
Griffith4ever said:
Mate, I said that I'm appalled that anyone can't tell if they've done a screw up.
If I handed a chock block to anyone I know, with a screwdriver, and a bare wire, and said, tighten the screw until the wire is held in firmly, I'm confident they'd all managed this hugely taxing task.
The sockets linked above seem to a be a solution to a problem I never knew existed, and I'm a fan of Wagos.
BTW - there isn't any electrical work you are "not allowed" to do. You just have to have it inspected and submit notifications where applicable. Neither of which I've ever done, as a) no one will ever know b) I can tighten screws :-)
Thought the broad definition is electrical work to be carried out by a 'competent person's i.e. an electrician. Although socket changes won't come under notifiable works.If I handed a chock block to anyone I know, with a screwdriver, and a bare wire, and said, tighten the screw until the wire is held in firmly, I'm confident they'd all managed this hugely taxing task.
The sockets linked above seem to a be a solution to a problem I never knew existed, and I'm a fan of Wagos.
BTW - there isn't any electrical work you are "not allowed" to do. You just have to have it inspected and submit notifications where applicable. Neither of which I've ever done, as a) no one will ever know b) I can tighten screws :-)
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