LVT herringbone - is this right?
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Somewhat predictable the way this is going to go I think but anyway…
LVT Amtico being laid to herringbone with border. 1930s house, nothing is straight!
We’ve got a variation in the size of the offcuts indicating to me the herringbone is not square with the border.
This seems a little odd. They tried to run it through into the dining room but the walls are so out that it didn’t work.
Have they “tried” to run it through and therefore the variation?
Or is it they need to absorb the wonk across both the border and the pattern?
I had thought that the whole point of the border was to allow for squaring up of the walls, to then make the herringbone Bob on? But maybe this isn’t fully possible in all scenarios?
Just wanted to check as it’s fairly spendy. Don’t thing realistically we will notice much once it’s down but if this is definitely a cock up I do want to say something (I’ve paid an extra £1400 in labour because it’s herringbone!)
LVT Amtico being laid to herringbone with border. 1930s house, nothing is straight!
We’ve got a variation in the size of the offcuts indicating to me the herringbone is not square with the border.
This seems a little odd. They tried to run it through into the dining room but the walls are so out that it didn’t work.
Have they “tried” to run it through and therefore the variation?
Or is it they need to absorb the wonk across both the border and the pattern?
I had thought that the whole point of the border was to allow for squaring up of the walls, to then make the herringbone Bob on? But maybe this isn’t fully possible in all scenarios?
Just wanted to check as it’s fairly spendy. Don’t thing realistically we will notice much once it’s down but if this is definitely a cock up I do want to say something (I’ve paid an extra £1400 in labour because it’s herringbone!)
Is the floor actually level, know when I did mine I was freaked out about the base not being level enough so had it leveled with compound.
If you've paid someone to do that, I absolutely wouldn't be happy with this little triangles they've filled in, that's horrendous workmanship and screams of someone who didn't know what they were doing. The gap where the angle joins the straight on the right side parallel to the skirting looks a bit large too.
I've run mine all the way through the downstairs floor of the house, into the kitchen, as long as its been measured right from the starting wall and those initial pirces are right in theory the rest of it should be right, the only thing that would throw it out by eye would be the walls being massively out.
Have they told you you have to have the border/did you choose it? Because to me it looks like you absolutely could've done that without the border, shifting the whole lot a bit more central so that you had decent sized equal planks on both sides of each wall.
If you've paid someone to do that, I absolutely wouldn't be happy with this little triangles they've filled in, that's horrendous workmanship and screams of someone who didn't know what they were doing. The gap where the angle joins the straight on the right side parallel to the skirting looks a bit large too.
I've run mine all the way through the downstairs floor of the house, into the kitchen, as long as its been measured right from the starting wall and those initial pirces are right in theory the rest of it should be right, the only thing that would throw it out by eye would be the walls being massively out.
Have they told you you have to have the border/did you choose it? Because to me it looks like you absolutely could've done that without the border, shifting the whole lot a bit more central so that you had decent sized equal planks on both sides of each wall.
Edited by NordicCrankShaft on Sunday 30th July 12:28
Edited by NordicCrankShaft on Sunday 30th July 17:09
Its one of those things you notice when they/ you are doing it but in a few weeks time you wont even think about it. Floor looks nice. Whenever i do anything or have anything done i always notice the little things and im never 100% happy with it ( even if it is fine ) but other people think it looks good. You just have to forget about it and move on to the next thing.
It looks like they've run the floor parallel to the stairs at the expense of the wall. The border has been run against the skirting so it won't hide the out of square walls. Personally I've found its better to run a floor parallel to the walls rather than the stair panel as they are rarely straight
Another project said:
It looks like they've run the floor parallel to the stairs at the expense of the wall. The border has been run against the skirting so it won't hide the out of square walls. Personally I've found its better to run a floor parallel to the walls rather than the stair panel as they are rarely straight
I’m thinking this might be it - cost of doing business as everything is super wonky! But I did expect them to eat it up using the border. That was the point. But I guess it is out by a significant amount, so probably that woul look weirder.I think I may now be in the “just get it done camp”
Where have they used as the centre spine? Assuming they have fitted it like a proper solid wood herringbone floor your fine the centre of the room and run the first run down that and then build out. The reason it looks odd is the border generally wouldn’t be done like that. I’ve had a few houses with proper oak solid floors in them as period pieces and they would run the border around the outside of the whole room rather than along the features so the border along the side of stairs wouldn’t be there and the skirting would be over the border
craigjm said:
Where have they used as the centre spine? Assuming they have fitted it like a proper solid wood herringbone floor your fine the centre of the room and run the first run down that and then build out. The reason it looks odd is the border generally wouldn’t be done like that. I’ve had a few houses with proper oak solid floors in them as period pieces and they would run the border around the outside of the whole room rather than along the features so the border along the side of stairs wouldn’t be there and the skirting would be over the border
Lvt is very different to wooden herringbone, they'll never take the skirting off, they'll fit tight to the skirting and finish it with a silicone seal around the perimeter Another project said:
craigjm said:
Where have they used as the centre spine? Assuming they have fitted it like a proper solid wood herringbone floor your fine the centre of the room and run the first run down that and then build out. The reason it looks odd is the border generally wouldn’t be done like that. I’ve had a few houses with proper oak solid floors in them as period pieces and they would run the border around the outside of the whole room rather than along the features so the border along the side of stairs wouldn’t be there and the skirting would be over the border
Lvt is very different to wooden herringbone, they'll never take the skirting off, they'll fit tight to the skirting and finish it with a silicone seal around the perimeter If that is all the have done so far then it’s a f
k up unfortunately.
They have let it run off their initial line rather than keep it center of the two borders or they have started at the bottom of the stairs on the wall not in the picture.
However once they are cut in you barely see it and with your own admittance none of the walls are straight so it could be the wall running towards the bottom.
It takes 5 mins to cut in those tiles, why they left them and given you the headache of seeing it’s slightly out is quite silly of them
I don’t want to poke holes in your new flooring but I would have finished the corners with mitres rather than just turning the tiles too
k up unfortunately.They have let it run off their initial line rather than keep it center of the two borders or they have started at the bottom of the stairs on the wall not in the picture.
However once they are cut in you barely see it and with your own admittance none of the walls are straight so it could be the wall running towards the bottom.
It takes 5 mins to cut in those tiles, why they left them and given you the headache of seeing it’s slightly out is quite silly of them
I don’t want to poke holes in your new flooring but I would have finished the corners with mitres rather than just turning the tiles too
dalzo said:
I don’t want to poke holes in your new flooring but I would have finished the corners with mitres rather than just turning the tiles too
You wouldn’t if you wanted it to look like a proper parquet floor. The border would be butted like that but, like I said it would run around the outside of the room and therefore not be present down the side of the stairs craigjm said:
You wouldn’t if you wanted it to look like a proper parquet floor. The border would be butted like that but, like I said it would run around the outside of the room and therefore not be present down the side of the stairs
Agree with what you’re saying but with lvt the 2 tile border can look odd when meeting the way it is as they can be two different widths. Suppose it’s down to the clients taste/preferences.The lvt could follow the curvature of the step too if the fitters are up too it
Edited by dalzo on Sunday 30th July 23:13
Some good points:
1) but joins Vs 45 mitres - walls being so out of true fitters we’re concerned it would be noticeable and look weird. We have 45 mitres in the new extension but that’s fairly straight. So I’m at peace with this.
2) interesting about the border treatment on parquet. I had no idea so I think we just assumed it would run around. Don’t dislike
3) I think they’ve used the front door wall as the base and hence this issue. Sounds like most agree yes it might be possible to be a bit better but you’ll never notice it once it’s cut in and it’ll be fine. I like this approach tbh as need it done now as been doing the renovations for a year!
1) but joins Vs 45 mitres - walls being so out of true fitters we’re concerned it would be noticeable and look weird. We have 45 mitres in the new extension but that’s fairly straight. So I’m at peace with this.
2) interesting about the border treatment on parquet. I had no idea so I think we just assumed it would run around. Don’t dislike
3) I think they’ve used the front door wall as the base and hence this issue. Sounds like most agree yes it might be possible to be a bit better but you’ll never notice it once it’s cut in and it’ll be fine. I like this approach tbh as need it done now as been doing the renovations for a year!
That looks rough because the little triangles contrast.
Are they not fitted yet or are they pale bits of tile?
The thick black line around the border is that a gap or what?
Parquet is properly done with fair straight grain timber so the grain gives the pattern, not just the joins between pieces.
Are they not fitted yet or are they pale bits of tile?
The thick black line around the border is that a gap or what?
Parquet is properly done with fair straight grain timber so the grain gives the pattern, not just the joins between pieces.
You could always demolish the house and rebuild it with straight walls and 90 degree corners.
It looks as if the long run is centred near the door and the wall runs out to the right as it approaches the camera.
I would have removed skirting, and I am an amateur - seal the joint ! !
You won’t notice the small pieces once the floor is finished and there will be small pieces somewhere. You will notice the seal where the skirting meets the floor as the floor and skirting move with temperature and humidity.
It looks as if the long run is centred near the door and the wall runs out to the right as it approaches the camera.
I would have removed skirting, and I am an amateur - seal the joint ! !
You won’t notice the small pieces once the floor is finished and there will be small pieces somewhere. You will notice the seal where the skirting meets the floor as the floor and skirting move with temperature and humidity.
So just to come back to this. We fitted the skirt as instructed prior, I could have left it off.
After two weeks they are still not done. The job has overrun and we have a mainly completed hallway, a not started utility and under stairs toilet, and a mostly complete dining room.
Quality of the work is ok but I worry that the tiles have not been adhered at the border well because of all the faffing.
Start of job was 19th of July. They have lef the job early or arrived late, not turned up. HQ (small local company) are now saying they have other jobs and earliest they can come back is 11th and 15th. We are away those days and don’t want to leave them a key, as we don’t know them from Adam.
Am I right to be annoyed? What do we think the best resolution is? I have the remaining product on site and have paid 1/3rd of invoice as deposit so I think I’m “up” financially. Do I keep being patient to let them finish with no clear end time? Do I throw them off the job and not pay and attempt to finish myself?
After two weeks they are still not done. The job has overrun and we have a mainly completed hallway, a not started utility and under stairs toilet, and a mostly complete dining room.
Quality of the work is ok but I worry that the tiles have not been adhered at the border well because of all the faffing.
Start of job was 19th of July. They have lef the job early or arrived late, not turned up. HQ (small local company) are now saying they have other jobs and earliest they can come back is 11th and 15th. We are away those days and don’t want to leave them a key, as we don’t know them from Adam.
Am I right to be annoyed? What do we think the best resolution is? I have the remaining product on site and have paid 1/3rd of invoice as deposit so I think I’m “up” financially. Do I keep being patient to let them finish with no clear end time? Do I throw them off the job and not pay and attempt to finish myself?
Pheo said:
Am I right to be annoyed?
Yes I would be, when I book someone I expect them to fulfil thier side. Turn up, crack on, and finish in the agreed time scale. If they can't, I expect them to discuss and propose a satisfactory resolution.
Edited by PositronicRay on Saturday 5th August 09:27
I’d give them an ultimatum to finish it asap or your out, they started your job first so why should you now be put behind other people/jobs
Outwith prep work the actual fitting of your hallway there would take me a day and a half roughly myself and even at that they managed to do it askew
Outwith prep work the actual fitting of your hallway there would take me a day and a half roughly myself and even at that they managed to do it askew
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