Copper pipe-polish or lacquer or both?
Discussion
About to start fitting some central heating pipes in a room I've decorated, plan is to keep them on show (press fittings) and hold them in place with brass clips up to the ceiling. There is mixed opinion on what to do with the pipes and how to keep them shiny. Some say just brasso, others say use patination oil. There is also mixed feedback on whether to clear lacquer after or not. Given its for heating it would need to be high temp clear lacquer.
Not sure if I need the clear lacquer or just keep them polished with brasso, there are only 2 pipes about 5m for one and 4m for the other?
Also has anybody done anything like this before or had any experience keeping copper tarnish free as I am also questioning if I do it insitu or disassemble and take outside to paint.
If I do have to clear coat Im leaning towards Rylard Brass Lacquer, it seems to be a lot more expensive than a Hycote version but the Rylard seems to be easier and faster to cure.
Not sure if I need the clear lacquer or just keep them polished with brasso, there are only 2 pipes about 5m for one and 4m for the other?
Also has anybody done anything like this before or had any experience keeping copper tarnish free as I am also questioning if I do it insitu or disassemble and take outside to paint.
If I do have to clear coat Im leaning towards Rylard Brass Lacquer, it seems to be a lot more expensive than a Hycote version but the Rylard seems to be easier and faster to cure.
The shine from Brasso etc won't last because the metal is still exposed and will patinate. I'd lacquer it for longer lasting shine. OMG that sounds like a shampoo advert, sorry!
No idea why you want shiny copper pipes on the the ceiling though, it would be like living in a battleship
No idea why you want shiny copper pipes on the the ceiling though, it would be like living in a battleship
Simpo Two said:
The shine from Brasso etc won't last because the metal is still exposed and will patinate. I'd lacquer it for longer lasting shine. OMG that sounds like a shampoo advert, sorry!
No idea why you want shiny copper pipes on the the ceiling though, it would be like living in a battleship
I don't think they're ON the ceiling...No idea why you want shiny copper pipes on the the ceiling though, it would be like living in a battleship
Pipes aren't on the ceiling they go through it.
So polish & then lacquer, can anybody recommend the best way to do it, would it be leave instiu and wrap everything else up or disassemble & try some kind of makeshift spray booth outside?
Also wondering if anybody can recommend a good high temp clear coat which will cure under normal conditions?
So polish & then lacquer, can anybody recommend the best way to do it, would it be leave instiu and wrap everything else up or disassemble & try some kind of makeshift spray booth outside?
Also wondering if anybody can recommend a good high temp clear coat which will cure under normal conditions?
bobski1 said:
Pipes aren't on the ceiling they go through it.
So polish & then lacquer, can anybody recommend the best way to do it, would it be leave instiu and wrap everything else up or disassemble & try some kind of makeshift spray booth outside?
'and hold them in place with brass clips up to the ceiling' - I see what you actually meant now...So polish & then lacquer, can anybody recommend the best way to do it, would it be leave instiu and wrap everything else up or disassemble & try some kind of makeshift spray booth outside?
If spraying is too awkward you can buy lacquer in a bottle and paint it on: https://tinyurl.com/y8mj8kyz
Awkwardness depends on how I do it, I'm leaning more towards insitue now just because of the size & how I won't really have a setup to do it.
I wanted to try to stay away from using a brush application as I am not sure what the finish will be like compared to a spray can.
Do you think it needs to be brasso polished before lacquering?
Has anybody got a lacquer they can recommend which I can get in the next day or 2?
I wanted to try to stay away from using a brush application as I am not sure what the finish will be like compared to a spray can.
Do you think it needs to be brasso polished before lacquering?
Has anybody got a lacquer they can recommend which I can get in the next day or 2?
Edited by bobski1 on Wednesday 17th June 12:57
If it were me, I would polish the pipe before hand while still in long lengths, and likely even lacquer it before hand perhaps after cutting to rough length to avoid painting the end ends. And also polish and clean the fittings and brackets. Then I would install, polish and re-clean where required before doing the rest in situ.
Unless, which might be the case, it is really easy to remove the lot on one piece, with no risk of it moving at the joints, and then drop it back into place to just connect up at the radiator end and within the ceiling void. Have you decided to go with soldereds, push-fit, or crimped fittings yet?
As per your other thread, I would typically use Incralac and have some in, but their are other cheaper options if cost is an issue. Rad pipes top out at about 90deg, most condensing systems with suitably sizes rads, more like 65 these days. So you dont need anything high temp.
Photos once it is in?
Daniel
Unless, which might be the case, it is really easy to remove the lot on one piece, with no risk of it moving at the joints, and then drop it back into place to just connect up at the radiator end and within the ceiling void. Have you decided to go with soldereds, push-fit, or crimped fittings yet?
As per your other thread, I would typically use Incralac and have some in, but their are other cheaper options if cost is an issue. Rad pipes top out at about 90deg, most condensing systems with suitably sizes rads, more like 65 these days. So you dont need anything high temp.
Photos once it is in?
Daniel
dhutch said:
If it were me, I would polish the pipe before hand while still in long lengths, and likely even lacquer it before hand perhaps after cutting to rough length to avoid painting the end ends. And also polish and clean the fittings and brackets. Then I would install, polish and re-clean where required before doing the rest in situ.
Unless, which might be the case, it is really easy to remove the lot on one piece, with no risk of it moving at the joints, and then drop it back into place to just connect up at the radiator end and within the ceiling void. Have you decided to go with soldereds, push-fit, or crimped fittings yet?
As per your other thread, I would typically use Incralac and have some in, but their are other cheaper options if cost is an issue. Rad pipes top out at about 90deg, most condensing systems with suitably sizes rads, more like 65 these days. So you dont need anything high temp.
Photos once it is in?
Daniel
Wouldn't lacquering it before affect the seal on the joint?Unless, which might be the case, it is really easy to remove the lot on one piece, with no risk of it moving at the joints, and then drop it back into place to just connect up at the radiator end and within the ceiling void. Have you decided to go with soldereds, push-fit, or crimped fittings yet?
As per your other thread, I would typically use Incralac and have some in, but their are other cheaper options if cost is an issue. Rad pipes top out at about 90deg, most condensing systems with suitably sizes rads, more like 65 these days. So you dont need anything high temp.
Photos once it is in?
Daniel
there will be 2 L shape pieces, 2.5m x 3m & 0.9m x 2.5m (approx) not sure how easy whey would be to move, I did plan on fitting them with the brackets and all and then removing from the wall to enable me to paint behind the radiator and everywhere else needed.
Gone for the press fit, picking up the fittings and tool tomorrow hence the need to figure out what im doing sharpish
Cost isn't a massive issue as I don't want to go through all this effort to then cheap out on the last bit which will make it look good or bad however I don't really want to spend £20 a tin when a £7 one will do.
I expect the seal would be ok with the lacquer, but you would clean it off the joint or as said, or paint avoiding the ends.
You might struggle getting the 2.5 x 3m one outside, but could still paint it off the wall in the room. Your call really. You can always touch up the wall afterwards.
Daniel
You might struggle getting the 2.5 x 3m one outside, but could still paint it off the wall in the room. Your call really. You can always touch up the wall afterwards.
Daniel
Gone for Hycote high temp, called Rylard and they said that their brass & copper lacquer isn't suitable for high temp. Not sure what temp the heating & pipes run at so thought I'd be better safe than sorry, I just hope that it cures properly at this temp.
Googling it says temp is 65-80 deg & the standard Hycote starts to be affected at 80 The resin binder in the paint film begins to soften at temperatures in excess of 80 degrees
Googling it says temp is 65-80 deg & the standard Hycote starts to be affected at 80 The resin binder in the paint film begins to soften at temperatures in excess of 80 degrees
Edited by bobski1 on Thursday 18th June 15:27
Found this…seems expensive
https://www.everbritecoatingsuk.com/copper-brass
Found one small thread on Reddit where a couple of people have used their coatings and say they are durable.
https://www.everbritecoatingsuk.com/copper-brass
Found one small thread on Reddit where a couple of people have used their coatings and say they are durable.
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