Fitted Air conditioning
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In the meantime for anyone wanting a really good fan I can highly recommend the Shark FlexBreeze, I have one that I use between the living room and bedroom. It blows cold air completely silently on speed 1 & 2, at speed 3 you can hear it but that's to powerful a breeze for me to sleep anyway. I leave it on speed 1 in the bedroom and it's lovely. Remote controlled so you dot have to get up to adjust the settings.
The fan head can be separated from the pedestal to carry & use elsewhere, with its base opening out into tripod stand to sit by your bed etc, and the battery lasts 24hrs on speed 1. Fold up the tripod stand and insert it back into the pedestal pole during the day and it can be used on mains power and self charges.
The fan head can be separated from the pedestal to carry & use elsewhere, with its base opening out into tripod stand to sit by your bed etc, and the battery lasts 24hrs on speed 1. Fold up the tripod stand and insert it back into the pedestal pole during the day and it can be used on mains power and self charges.
junglie said:
ChocolateFrog said:
FilH said:
Well it's day 2 of the UKs 3 days a year when you wished you had decent Aircon.
Still one of the best single small life purchases made.
Best sub £1000 purchas ever. Still one of the best single small life purchases made.
Ours isn't on that much bit has been on for the last 3 night, bliss.
I have heard mixed reviews about the ‘cheap’ portable units.
Only issue is that the displayed temperature is about 2 degrees above reality so it gets set to 23 and that's a nice cool 20/21.
Harry Flashman said:
Simpo Two said:
caziques said:
4,800 for two small heat pumps installed! Talk about taking the piss.
The two units shouldn't cost more than 1000 pounds (1200 with VAT).
A thousand for an install is grossly excessive, unless there is something very difficult about it.
I've just been quoted £8,065.39 + VAT for two split systems, including electrics. I can't believe they thought I'd fall for it. You tell them they shouldn't be charging VAT and they act like they have no idea.The two units shouldn't cost more than 1000 pounds (1200 with VAT).
A thousand for an install is grossly excessive, unless there is something very difficult about it.
They even wanted to charge me £125 for a quote, until I said no.
I've had 2 quotes around £2200 to install a 12k BTU Ducted A/C (One room only), and the hardware is circa £1200 so they are looking at £1k for what I assume is a days work... Less a few brackets, vents and flexi ducting, so I guess they are probably getting £900 for a days work.
Nice work for them.
Havent found anyone cheaper so will pull the trigger soon enough.
Nice work for them.
Havent found anyone cheaper so will pull the trigger soon enough.
Max M4X WW said:
Thanks, all very helpful.
When I say DIY, I mainly mean getting the units mounted, trunking in place and a clear route for the pipes. If the pipes go in easy, I could make a start but I certainly wouldn't make any connections and if they are tricky to bend I may leave them.
As you say, I would need to sign someone up for the commissioning beforehand as I wouldn't want it half done and either have no one to complete it or someone wanting to charge a fortune.
I may start with more quotes from local places first, but now I know the cost of the units is around £1000, I think I will always feel it's expensive. One problem I have is that Electriq is saying they don't sell longer pipe kits. I think I need 2x 10m as the run is slightly longer than 5m in both instances.
They do sell extended pipe kits - I just bought a 10m for one of the two indoor units on my 12000 x 2 BTU electriq split system.When I say DIY, I mainly mean getting the units mounted, trunking in place and a clear route for the pipes. If the pipes go in easy, I could make a start but I certainly wouldn't make any connections and if they are tricky to bend I may leave them.
As you say, I would need to sign someone up for the commissioning beforehand as I wouldn't want it half done and either have no one to complete it or someone wanting to charge a fortune.
I may start with more quotes from local places first, but now I know the cost of the units is around £1000, I think I will always feel it's expensive. One problem I have is that Electriq is saying they don't sell longer pipe kits. I think I need 2x 10m as the run is slightly longer than 5m in both instances.
Phone Appliances Direct and speak to them. They were really helpful, as I couldn't see the option on their site. Was £100 I think.
Don't forget that installer can also make up custom pipes to any reasonable length. We actually needed to extend the 10m pipe further, and I got this work quoted as part of the installation job.
Looking for a sanity check here please. Is this a decent product and a sensible price? Feels £2k too high to me but the fact its a local reputable firm that I can get back to sort anything quickly and easily is worth a premium.
I've had an installer round (large local plumbing and electrical firm that do air con as well).
They only install Worcester Bosch units and I can't find anything on them on this thread or anything good/bad in terms of online reviews either. Anyone with any experience with them? 5 year parts and labour guarantee (subject to chargeable annual service).
The house is a 3 storey detached and I want air con fitted in 5 of the bedrooms 3 on the 1st floor and 2 on the second floor. Not an overly complicated install, we went round the house and picked an external wall for each one.
I've been quoted £7k (got them down from £8k) to supply and install a 12.3kW Bosch 5000M external unit and 5 Bosch Climate 300 2.6kW indoor units.
They've also said the Consumer Unit needs a sub board adding as its currently a Type AC and will be upgraded by them to a Type A. This was originally a £550 cost but is now included in the £7k total.
I've had an installer round (large local plumbing and electrical firm that do air con as well).
They only install Worcester Bosch units and I can't find anything on them on this thread or anything good/bad in terms of online reviews either. Anyone with any experience with them? 5 year parts and labour guarantee (subject to chargeable annual service).
The house is a 3 storey detached and I want air con fitted in 5 of the bedrooms 3 on the 1st floor and 2 on the second floor. Not an overly complicated install, we went round the house and picked an external wall for each one.
I've been quoted £7k (got them down from £8k) to supply and install a 12.3kW Bosch 5000M external unit and 5 Bosch Climate 300 2.6kW indoor units.
They've also said the Consumer Unit needs a sub board adding as its currently a Type AC and will be upgraded by them to a Type A. This was originally a £550 cost but is now included in the £7k total.
Harry Flashman said:
I have had Electriq kit for 7 years. Works brilliantly, all wired into Alexa for voice control, also use a phone app.
Only criticism is the rubbish pipe cladding falls apart in sunlight over the years, so I have fitted Armacell Solar and am about to trunk it, which I should have done in the first place.
Also have their wall -mounted internal only one piece units in front rooms where an outside unit would be unsightly. Also excellent, no issues.
You can get LG for similar prices.
https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/s12et/lg-s12e...
Do you mean you have one of these? https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/iqool-smart15...Only criticism is the rubbish pipe cladding falls apart in sunlight over the years, so I have fitted Armacell Solar and am about to trunk it, which I should have done in the first place.
Also have their wall -mounted internal only one piece units in front rooms where an outside unit would be unsightly. Also excellent, no issues.
You can get LG for similar prices.
https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/s12et/lg-s12e...
Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 27th June 08:08
If so I'd love to know a bit more. We've got a garden office that unforntunately gets absolutely baked during the day. We've got a normal portable AC unit in there with the hose plumbed through the wall so you can keep all the windows and doors closed. We've also got the solar film on the glass. It still gets hot and the little portable can't cope (it also makes it quite hard to open the doors due to the pressure drop
). One of these could be a good option but I think it would have to be quite a bit less noisy than a portable if we were gonna do it.Though to be a fair a small mini-split would probably be very easy to fit on the rear wall.
Help78 said:
Looking for a sanity check here please. Is this a decent product and a sensible price? Feels £2k too high to me but the fact its a local reputable firm that I can get back to sort anything quickly and easily is worth a premium.
I've had an installer round (large local plumbing and electrical firm that do air con as well).
They only install Worcester Bosch units and I can't find anything on them on this thread or anything good/bad in terms of online reviews either. Anyone with any experience with them? 5 year parts and labour guarantee (subject to chargeable annual service).
The house is a 3 storey detached and I want air con fitted in 5 of the bedrooms 3 on the 1st floor and 2 on the second floor. Not an overly complicated install, we went round the house and picked an external wall for each one.
I've been quoted £7k (got them down from £8k) to supply and install a 12.3kW Bosch 5000M external unit and 5 Bosch Climate 300 2.6kW indoor units.
They've also said the Consumer Unit needs a sub board adding as its currently a Type AC and will be upgraded by them to a Type A. This was originally a £550 cost but is now included in the £7k total.
Quote sounds good to me.I've had an installer round (large local plumbing and electrical firm that do air con as well).
They only install Worcester Bosch units and I can't find anything on them on this thread or anything good/bad in terms of online reviews either. Anyone with any experience with them? 5 year parts and labour guarantee (subject to chargeable annual service).
The house is a 3 storey detached and I want air con fitted in 5 of the bedrooms 3 on the 1st floor and 2 on the second floor. Not an overly complicated install, we went round the house and picked an external wall for each one.
I've been quoted £7k (got them down from £8k) to supply and install a 12.3kW Bosch 5000M external unit and 5 Bosch Climate 300 2.6kW indoor units.
They've also said the Consumer Unit needs a sub board adding as its currently a Type AC and will be upgraded by them to a Type A. This was originally a £550 cost but is now included in the £7k total.
We paid around £4.5k all in for a 12kw split system with 4 indoor units spread over 4 floors.
Units were ioniq, so cheaper brand.
Our external unit would also only supply 4 units, so stepping up to 5 would be a reasonable cost increase.
We needed an uprated consumer unit for it too - 30A if memory serves.
We also needed the main fuse to the house uprated from 60A to 100A, but our house is 100 years old.
Help78 said:
Looking for a sanity check here please. Is this a decent product and a sensible price? Feels £2k too high to me but the fact its a local reputable firm that I can get back to sort anything quickly and easily is worth a premium.
I've had an installer round (large local plumbing and electrical firm that do air con as well).
They only install Worcester Bosch units and I can't find anything on them on this thread or anything good/bad in terms of online reviews either. Anyone with any experience with them? 5 year parts and labour guarantee (subject to chargeable annual service).
The house is a 3 storey detached and I want air con fitted in 5 of the bedrooms 3 on the 1st floor and 2 on the second floor. Not an overly complicated install, we went round the house and picked an external wall for each one.
I've been quoted £7k (got them down from £8k) to supply and install a 12.3kW Bosch 5000M external unit and 5 Bosch Climate 300 2.6kW indoor units.
They've also said the Consumer Unit needs a sub board adding as its currently a Type AC and will be upgraded by them to a Type A. This was originally a £550 cost but is now included in the £7k total.
I'd say that looks like a very good price. I had 4x indoor and 1 outdoor Toshiba installed last summer for 6k and I'm up Norf so not London prices!I've had an installer round (large local plumbing and electrical firm that do air con as well).
They only install Worcester Bosch units and I can't find anything on them on this thread or anything good/bad in terms of online reviews either. Anyone with any experience with them? 5 year parts and labour guarantee (subject to chargeable annual service).
The house is a 3 storey detached and I want air con fitted in 5 of the bedrooms 3 on the 1st floor and 2 on the second floor. Not an overly complicated install, we went round the house and picked an external wall for each one.
I've been quoted £7k (got them down from £8k) to supply and install a 12.3kW Bosch 5000M external unit and 5 Bosch Climate 300 2.6kW indoor units.
They've also said the Consumer Unit needs a sub board adding as its currently a Type AC and will be upgraded by them to a Type A. This was originally a £550 cost but is now included in the £7k total.
Reading all of the above I have mixed feelings.
I paid £9k a year ago for 4 internal units (2× 5kw, 1 x 2kw and 1x1.5kw) and 2 external units. Piping was straightforward (but wasn't told or aware of trunking so not done) and electrics had a bit of pain but just needed a bit more time than expected (couple hours).
These are top of the range Daikin units and I think I fell for the sales pitch. Particularly as I tend to trust companies as the experts and this one came highly recommended.
On the other hand, I did ring round and got 3 other local quotes all of which came in higher for "lower" end units eg Mitsubishi or Samsung. So don't know if that's the price for North London given demand and weather or people can just see me coming from a mile away for house related stuff (anything else I'm all over it).
I can't fault the system, and the house is a nice place to be in with the last few days. Only now worried re trunking (feel it should have been done with that quote) and probably for 2 rooms, not given the best advice re placement or units needed (felt it was left to me without some helpful insight that I only benefit from in hindsight)
So all your quotes seem massively cheap to me (and annoyed I could have spent less) ...
I paid £9k a year ago for 4 internal units (2× 5kw, 1 x 2kw and 1x1.5kw) and 2 external units. Piping was straightforward (but wasn't told or aware of trunking so not done) and electrics had a bit of pain but just needed a bit more time than expected (couple hours).
These are top of the range Daikin units and I think I fell for the sales pitch. Particularly as I tend to trust companies as the experts and this one came highly recommended.
On the other hand, I did ring round and got 3 other local quotes all of which came in higher for "lower" end units eg Mitsubishi or Samsung. So don't know if that's the price for North London given demand and weather or people can just see me coming from a mile away for house related stuff (anything else I'm all over it).
I can't fault the system, and the house is a nice place to be in with the last few days. Only now worried re trunking (feel it should have been done with that quote) and probably for 2 rooms, not given the best advice re placement or units needed (felt it was left to me without some helpful insight that I only benefit from in hindsight)
So all your quotes seem massively cheap to me (and annoyed I could have spent less) ...
Nobody seems to have considered ducted? You have one ducted fan coil in the loft and supply tempered air to each room (single extract from the hallways usually), bit like MVHR logic regarding the routing. Appreciate that only really works on top floors with a loft space above, but does save on qty and ugliness of wall units in every room.
Should still be able to have a multi-split config so multiple indoor units fed by one outdoor condenser when some are ducted some are wall mount. Obviously all do heat or cool together as multisplit but way cheaper from a hardware perspective (only one condenser, one pair of pipes to it and one builder's penetration, oh and only one elec supply to outside too.
Should still be able to have a multi-split config so multiple indoor units fed by one outdoor condenser when some are ducted some are wall mount. Obviously all do heat or cool together as multisplit but way cheaper from a hardware perspective (only one condenser, one pair of pipes to it and one builder's penetration, oh and only one elec supply to outside too.
Pistonsquirter said:
Nobody seems to have considered ducted? You have one ducted fan coil in the loft and supply tempered air to each room (single extract from the hallways usually), bit like MVHR logic regarding the routing. Appreciate that only really works on top floors with a loft space above, but does save on qty and ugliness of wall units in every room.
Should still be able to have a multi-split config so multiple indoor units fed by one outdoor condenser when some are ducted some are wall mount. Obviously all do heat or cool together as multisplit but way cheaper from a hardware perspective (only one condenser, one pair of pipes to it and one builder's penetration, oh and only one elec supply to outside too.
Considered this but it limits ability to have different temps in different rooms. Told you could control via ffan speed or realistically 1 degree difference but no more without it being faff. So discounted it. Should still be able to have a multi-split config so multiple indoor units fed by one outdoor condenser when some are ducted some are wall mount. Obviously all do heat or cool together as multisplit but way cheaper from a hardware perspective (only one condenser, one pair of pipes to it and one builder's penetration, oh and only one elec supply to outside too.
We have ducted in our bedroom and much prefer it to the wall units (with the exception of a current issue I’m trying to solve below!). It’s less visibly invasive, a more gentle breeze and quieter as well. Downside is that it doesn’t cool a room as quickly so we tend to leave it on all the time.
The other thing that I’m currently wrestling with it that it has slightly random temperature control, and I think it might be heat soak into the unit in the loft. Im logging the room, loft and outside temperature looking for correlation, and it looks like heat soak might be the culprit. If I can get temperature sensing at the wall controller that will probably fix it; anyone come across this problem before out of interest?
The other thing that I’m currently wrestling with it that it has slightly random temperature control, and I think it might be heat soak into the unit in the loft. Im logging the room, loft and outside temperature looking for correlation, and it looks like heat soak might be the culprit. If I can get temperature sensing at the wall controller that will probably fix it; anyone come across this problem before out of interest?
thecrow said:
We have ducted in our bedroom and much prefer it to the wall units (with the exception of a current issue I’m trying to solve below!). It’s less visibly invasive, a more gentle breeze and quieter as well. Downside is that it doesn’t cool a room as quickly so we tend to leave it on all the time.
The other thing that I’m currently wrestling with it that it has slightly random temperature control, and I think it might be heat soak into the unit in the loft. Im logging the room, loft and outside temperature looking for correlation, and it looks like heat soak might be the culprit. If I can get temperature sensing at the wall controller that will probably fix it; anyone come across this problem before out of interest?
On our Daikin system we have one ducted unit. The temperature sensing can be via the controller in the room, the intake temperature on the unit or a combination of both. The other thing that I’m currently wrestling with it that it has slightly random temperature control, and I think it might be heat soak into the unit in the loft. Im logging the room, loft and outside temperature looking for correlation, and it looks like heat soak might be the culprit. If I can get temperature sensing at the wall controller that will probably fix it; anyone come across this problem before out of interest?
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