Buying a house - Not enough money...

Buying a house - Not enough money...

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clarkmagpie

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3,583 posts

201 months

Sunday 30th January 2011
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I will keep this brief.

Our house has been valued circa 200K
Local house has come up at 425K

We have been approved up to 280K (without selling car frown )

The local house has a 2 bedroom cottage in the grounds.
Currently renting for 400+ a month
Worth 150k ish.

Is there any way we could get the bank to extend to the full value if we agree to sell the cottage?
Or if we show the rental potential?

Just throwing around figures and can see it working if the bank are erm... helpful!!

Sarnie

8,137 posts

215 months

Sunday 30th January 2011
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how much will you be adding to the £280k?

mcflurry

9,132 posts

259 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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clarkmagpie said:
Our house has been valued circa 200K
Local house has come up at 425K
We have been approved up to 280k
I'm confused. You sell yours for £200k, borrow £225k and are 55k below limit?

(assuming prices, legal costs from savings, can afford repayments etc etc)

clarkmagpie

Original Poster:

3,583 posts

201 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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Sorry, I didn't make it very clear did I!

We would need to borrow the extra 225K but have only been approved for the extra 80K.

So, selling the cottage would make up the difference easily I would imagine.

Just in the current climate I doubt anyone would take that risk with us.


Pie in the sky dreaming really frown

DonkeyApple

57,927 posts

175 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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clarkmagpie said:
Sorry, I didn't make it very clear did I!

We would need to borrow the extra 225K but have only been approved for the extra 80K.

So, selling the cottage would make up the difference easily I would imagine.

Just in the current climate I doubt anyone would take that risk with us.


Pie in the sky dreaming really frown
Why not ask the vendor to hive off the cottage from the deeds and let him have the problem of selling it?

clarkmagpie

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3,583 posts

201 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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He is a neighbour so I might mention that to him.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

238 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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DonkeyApple said:
Why not ask the vendor to hive off the cottage from the deeds and let him have the problem of selling it?
I'd guess that the value of the cottage may well drop below the required figure becasue you would tehn be buying a house with shared land and no control over anything

JQ

5,966 posts

185 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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I'm still confused - how much equity do you actually have, that's the important bit?

rog007

5,776 posts

230 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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If it sounds too difficult (and too expensive), it usually is. I'd start looking elsewhere!

louiebaby

10,651 posts

197 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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Would it work better as a business?

- Sell current place.

- Plough money into a property investment company.

- Get loan through company and buy new place with cottage.

- Rent house to yourself and cottage to tenants.

- Set rents so company never makes a profit, so doesn't incur tax.

What am I missing out?

DonkeyApple

57,927 posts

175 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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louiebaby said:
Would it work better as a business?

- Sell current place.

- Plough money into a property investment company.

- Get loan through company and buy new place with cottage.

- Rent house to yourself and cottage to tenants.

- Set rents so company never makes a profit, so doesn't incur tax.

What am I missing out?
Some economic basics wink

Cottage costs 150k. Rents for 400/month. 3% gross yield before any costs etc = Extremely bad business plan.

Yield needs to be substantially higher.

In fact, the numbers allude to the cottage being massively over valued in the first instance.

Best to look at living in the cottage and renting the main house, but again, this would depend on the yield and whether there is any kind of safety cushion against rental default etc.

JQ

5,966 posts

185 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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louiebaby said:
What am I missing out?
The fact that banks are not lending to property companies.



14-7

6,233 posts

197 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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DonkeyApple said:
Cottage costs 150k. Rents for 400/month. 3% gross yield before any costs etc = Extremely bad business plan.

Yield needs to be substantially higher.

In fact, the numbers allude to the cottage being massively over valued in the first instance.
Something doesn't sound right in that.

Either the cottage isn't worth £150k or the current monthly rental of £400 is way too low.

I currently get £550+ a month for houses only worth £70-80k in not very good areas.

Reading between the lines the cottage should be fetching at least £7-800 a month if the grounds and value are correct.

Du1point8

21,666 posts

198 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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14-7 said:
DonkeyApple said:
Cottage costs 150k. Rents for 400/month. 3% gross yield before any costs etc = Extremely bad business plan.

Yield needs to be substantially higher.

In fact, the numbers allude to the cottage being massively over valued in the first instance.
Something doesn't sound right in that.

Either the cottage isn't worth £150k or the current monthly rental of £400 is way too low.

I currently get £550+ a month for houses only worth £70-80k in not very good areas.

Reading between the lines the cottage should be fetching at least £7-800 a month if the grounds and value are correct.
Yep with this, flats near me rent for 1500 a month but that is £300k flats, where are these flats that rent for £550+ for a £70-80k flat?

clarkmagpie

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3,583 posts

201 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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Property rental values in sunny Carlisle are not that high!
We live in a really desirable village as well, doubt it would see £500 per month but without having a good look around I can't be sure.

I think I'm dreaming but would be tempted if it was possible.

BoRED S2upid

20,190 posts

246 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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So what you want is for the bank to give you £80,000 extra based on the fact the cottage will provide you with £400 income which will cover the extra £80,000 mortgage.

In theory it works if the bank buys that im not so sure. Does the cottage have a sitting tennant? or do you have to try and rent it?

Would it work on two separate mortgages? BTL on the cottage with 30% deposit and the £400 pm rent what does that leave you with as a deposit on the main house?

scotal

8,751 posts

285 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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BoRED S2upid said:
Would it work on two separate mortgages? BTL on the cottage with 30% deposit and the £400 pm rent what does that leave you with as a deposit on the main house?
That will only work if the cottage is on a separate title.

BoRED S2upid

20,190 posts

246 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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scotal said:
That will only work if the cottage is on a separate title.
Which im sure the OPers solicitors could sort out when hes buying the two? people must do this all the time with property and land etc...

It would be similar to buying a house plus a paddock from the farmer next door changing the deeds on the house to show a new paddock.

scotal

8,751 posts

285 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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I'm sure it can be done, for a fee, but I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how easy it is to arrange at the same time as a change of ownership.

Not sure the figures add up on a monthly rental of £400, not with a value of £150k and a 60% ltv (think 1 lender available.)