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nammynake

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2,606 posts

179 months

Wednesday 19th January 2011
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I have around £7k sitting in an ISA and e-Savings account with Barclays, both earning minimal interest (1-2% IIRC). This is obviously peanuts, so I started thinking about Premium Bonds - risk free, but no guaranteed return (and possibly not such a great idea with inflation rising and reducing the value of my investment).

From reading their web site am I correct in that the prize fund is dependent on current (BoE) interest rate? I want to understand how to calculate the average annual return, or at least what the historical returns have been, so that I am compare with ISA/savings returns. Plus I like the idea of the (very slim) chance of winning a big prize.

ShadownINja

77,383 posts

288 months

Wednesday 19th January 2011
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As I've posted in the last 100 threads on PBs, I have typically got around 0.5% a year since the start. I had about £30k, now just £5k. Have tried the trick of buying and selling... doesn't really make a difference. Perhaps, I'm just a loser.

bogie

16,566 posts

278 months

Wednesday 19th January 2011
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PBs is pure luck, its a monthly lottery where you can get your capital back, thats it

Ive got a few hundred quid from years ago, held £30K for a while, got about 1% return over 2 years...did something else with the money since

Just buy a grands worth, if fate has it to award you a lottery win, then so be it wink

ringram

14,700 posts

254 months

Wednesday 19th January 2011
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Well I guess in theory you should earn 1.5% smile

http://www.nsandi.com/products/pb/rates

Interest rates

We hold a prize draw every month with a £1 million jackpot. We set the size of each month’s prize fund by calculating one month’s interest on the total value of all eligible Bonds, at the annual rate shown below.

Annual prize fund interest rate Tax information
1.50% All prizes are tax-free

nammynake

Original Poster:

2,606 posts

179 months

Wednesday 19th January 2011
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ringram said:
Well I guess in theory you should earn 1.5% smile

http://www.nsandi.com/products/pb/rates

Interest rates

We hold a prize draw every month with a £1 million jackpot. We set the size of each month’s prize fund by calculating one month’s interest on the total value of all eligible Bonds, at the annual rate shown below.

Annual prize fund interest rate Tax information
1.50% All prizes are tax-free
Thanks. Don't know I didn't spot that on their site. So only marginally lower interest than an ISA then. Looking like a decent investment idea.

nomisesor

983 posts

193 months

Wednesday 19th January 2011
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Re: "Lottery jackpot" - the top prize of £1M is small by lottery standards and the odds are very very small. There are 41Bn bonds in issue vs ~14M:1 chance of the lottery jackpot = ~2900 times better chance of winning the £1M with £1 in the lottery than in PB, though, if you have the minimum buy of £100 that reduces to 29x less chance of winning on PB. The upside is that your stake is safe and returned whenever you want, the downside that on average you will get 1.5% tax free, though obviously one person getting £1M reduces the effective rate for others - this lifted (copyright acknowledged) from the NS&I website: Value of prizes, number of prizes, total pot and total number of prizes.


Higher value6% of prize fund
£1 million 1
£100,000 5
£50,000 8
£25,000 18
£10,000 46
£5,000 91

Medium value
5% of prize fund
£1,000 1,089
£500 3,267

Lower value
89% of prize fund
£100 31,986
£50 31,986
£25 1,746,099

Total value for
February 2011 £54.4 million 1,814,596

Mr E Driver

8,542 posts

190 months

nomisesor

983 posts

193 months

Wednesday 19th January 2011
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Mr E Driver said:
Ha, I posted the same response (though with the August figures in 2010)....

fid

2,431 posts

246 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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swerni said:
Held £30k for many years.
Sold them all as the returns were pathetic.

I use to enjoy getting the post but after a year of very little I cashed in the lot.

Personally I wouldn't bother
If I don't get a win in Feb, I'm out too. Had some wins but mostly £25's lately...it's no longer exciting when that's the most likely win...it was a bit different when it was £100, pre-inflation 12 years ago.

nammynake

Original Poster:

2,606 posts

179 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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I've decided to put £1500 in. It's not a long-term investment, and it was only earning 1% in an e-savings account, so the worse case scenario is that I don't win anything and lose out on around £15 interest over the next year. Worth a punt I suppose.

14-7

6,233 posts

197 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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Over the last two years I've had a return of 1.6% and 1.1%.

Really don't know if I'd put more in at this time given you can earn more in an ISA.