Putting an elderly parent's house in to a trust

Putting an elderly parent's house in to a trust

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anonymous-user

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60 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Eric Mc

122,688 posts

271 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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No - but watch out for the Inheritance Tax implications of this. You would need both specialist legal and tax advice before going down this route.

Scooby_snax

1,279 posts

260 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Cannot give an authoritative answer to your direct question.
But perhaps something else to consider.
Instead having the potential care home scenario it may be worth looking into nursing care in her own home. By my reckoning it is a cheaper option and probably more beneficial (depending on the dependancy)

DonkeyApple

57,921 posts

175 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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anonymous said:
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Rothchilds were the main vendors of this scheme over the last few years.

I would sit down with a proper professional and talk through the options. Make sure your siblings are there as well.

Fittster

20,120 posts

219 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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If your Mum does have to go into care (hopefully a long time in the future) wouldn't she and you want her to have the best care possible. If you work the system so it appears she has no assets won't the government put her into the cheapest care home possible?

Isn't it better to sell your assets to fund as nice a care package as possible (hopefully by the time your assets are gone you'll be to ga-ga to notice you've been moved to a st hole).




Note: I don't have the first clue about planning to looking after elderly relatives.

Eric Mc

122,688 posts

271 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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anonymous said:
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Your sister seems to be the driver of this. On what is she basing her thinking? Has she consulted any professionals on this or is she just basing her opinions on conversations she's "overheard" somewhere.


These schemes can be quite complex and can have taxation implications beyond what was originally envisaged.
Inheritance Tax is a real issue when offloading property into trusts and the government have a nasty habity of closing such schemes without much warning.

Eric Mc

122,688 posts

271 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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I thought public servants were totally against tax planning as being immoral?

She may very well have it all worked out but in my experience the setting up of such prperty owning trusts are quite complex and ALL aspects of their establishment need to be looked at - whether they be the social care side of things, Inheritance Tax, Income Tax and Capital Gains Tax - not to mention the actual costs of seting up the trust and the annual cost of its administration.

Don't go into anything like this wothout EVERYTHING being examined with a fine tooth comb.

Soovy

35,829 posts

277 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Given the circumstances (other thread), your sister sounds like she needs a kick in the c nt.


Soovy

35,829 posts

277 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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anonymous said:
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Panicking about WHAT exactly.

Your Dad is DYING and she's planning how to maximise her share when your POOR MUM DIES?


WTF!?




wiggy001

6,561 posts

277 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Fittster said:
If your Mum does have to go into care (hopefully a long time in the future) wouldn't she and you want her to have the best care possible. If you work the system so it appears she has no assets won't the government put her into the cheapest care home possible?

Isn't it better to sell your assets to fund as nice a care package as possible (hopefully by the time your assets are gone you'll be to ga-ga to notice you've been moved to a st hole).




Note: I don't have the first clue about planning to looking after elderly relatives.
Or you can pay (from her assets) for her to go into an average care home. The money will run out within a year. She will then end up in a cheap place anyway.

Soovy

35,829 posts

277 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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anonymous said:
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Good lad.


DonkeyApple

57,921 posts

175 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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This is why you need to get pro advice but both together and in the company of your mother.

It's a family matter and needs to be discussed as a family.

Same genes do not mean same way of thinking and parental bereavement can easily lead to sibling issues when it comes to money.

It can get very unpleasant very quickly and without it needing to.

Best ot head it off early and via the matriarch while your father is still alive, as after that event your mother may not care enough.

2 5HAN

700 posts

237 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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As others have said I would concentrate on your dad and giving him and mum some quality time together.

The are a number of Trust schemes out there but as Eric Mc has said they do not suit everyone and can have IHT complications for you and your siblings later.

With regards to your mum going into a care home trust me regardless of what condition or level of lucidity she has when she requires care, you will not want to see her go into a sh!te hole.

Your mum may well have lost her faculties come that time, but you and your sisters will still hopefully be lucid and very much aware of the care she receives and her surroundings.

Talk to a good Tax Advisor or to a company like this:

http://www.eldercare-solutions.co.uk/

I am in no way affiliated but we have had clients use them and their services.

Going into care doesn't have to mean that you lose or use all of your mums capital there are a number of solutions out there and they do not cost you all of your inheritance which is what you seem to be wanting to protect.

Also be vary weary of any scheme that seeks to deprive your mum of her assets and therefore financial security and independence, the local council and social services financial officers are pursuing every avenue open to them to ensure that people have not purposely deprived themselves.

mattviatura

2,996 posts

206 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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For God's sake get professional advice on this, an internet forum is not the right place at all.

It is a bloody awful can of worms and it needs a clear, uninvolved, informed mindset.


Good luck with everything.

theboss

7,085 posts

225 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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Eric Mc said:
I thought public servants were totally against tax planning as being immoral?
They are.

With a few honourable exemptions of course... starting with themselves...

ukshooter

501 posts

218 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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Rothschilds is now St. James's Place, where you will find me for my sins. I also have the specific qualification for advising on care as well as trust and estate planning. Happy to answer any questions you may have. Can pm me or get through to my email via my profile