ISAs - Something I don't understand

ISAs - Something I don't understand

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RDE

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4,966 posts

220 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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I have an ISA with Halifax that is earning close to bugger all money now and I haven't deposited any for a while. Santander and Alliance & Leicester are offering decent rates on ISAs now, but I am unsure whether I can transfer from Halifax to one of these, or if not, open a new ISA account with either of the aforementioned and pay into it from a different savings account.

I don't quite understand the rules fully and am concerned that i've thought about this at the wrong time of year to do something about it.

T0M

713 posts

183 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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Santander are offering a very competitive rate of 3.2% currently. No transfers in allowed though. http://www.santander.co.uk/csgs/Satellite?appID=ab...

I'm sure it was 3.5% the other day though...

RDE

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4,966 posts

220 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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I thought it was, and i'm sure the advert last night said 3.5% as well, which is confusing. Can I have more than one account open provided I don't deposit more than the yearly allowed amount or is this not correct?

T0M

713 posts

183 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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You can have more than one ISA. You could open a new one every year if you wanted. But as you said, you can still only use up your normal tax free amount

WeirdNeville

5,998 posts

221 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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You can have as many ISA's as you want, but you can't pay more than the total tax free allowance into them all together. If you were to do so, expect demands with menaces from the tax man.
You can normally transfer an old ISA into a new ISA and then add on up to the tax free allowance, and indeed you should do this to keep earning at the best possible interest rate. However, it looks lime Santander are touting for new cash and don't want people transferring £70k+ into their ISA to take advantage of that rate.

Four Cofffee

11,827 posts

241 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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RDE said:
I have an ISA with Halifax that is earning close to bugger all money now and I haven't deposited any for a while. Santander and Alliance & Leicester are offering decent rates on ISAs now, but I am unsure whether I can transfer from Halifax to one of these, or if not, open a new ISA account with either of the aforementioned and pay into it from a different savings account.

I don't quite understand the rules fully and am concerned that i've thought about this at the wrong time of year to do something about it.
I am not sure they latest offer allows transfers in? Can you apply online? I thought it was a branch only ISA?

What A&L do every year is offer a top rate for IAS's, which is comprised of 1% interest and a 12 month 'bonus' of 2.5%. At the end of 12 months it reverts to 1%. They do the same with their savings accounts and keep changing the names to confuse it all ( Saver, saver plus, Internet saver,etc).

Looking at it cynically, they depend on the inertia/hassel factor of having to open a new acount at the end of the 12 months to bgt your money then pay you 1%.

Every year I have to opern new savings accounts with them ( did it a few days ago) and then switch all my savings into that new account at the higher rate, and repeat each March, and in April for ISA's. I have a number of 'dead' A&L saving accounts from previous years where the 12 month honeymoon ends and I have to empty the account to avoid being paid peanuts in interest.

If you don't want that hassel might be better choosing one with a lower rate but which you don't have to service in this way.




Moley RUFC

3,641 posts

195 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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Four Cofffee said:
RDE said:
I have an ISA with Halifax that is earning close to bugger all money now and I haven't deposited any for a while. Santander and Alliance & Leicester are offering decent rates on ISAs now, but I am unsure whether I can transfer from Halifax to one of these, or if not, open a new ISA account with either of the aforementioned and pay into it from a different savings account.

I don't quite understand the rules fully and am concerned that i've thought about this at the wrong time of year to do something about it.
I am not sure they latest offer allows transfers in? Can you apply online? I thought it was a branch only ISA?

What A&L do every year is offer a top rate for IAS's, which is comprised of 1% interest and a 12 month 'bonus' of 2.5%. At the end of 12 months it reverts to 1%. They do the same with their savings accounts and keep changing the names to confuse it all ( Saver, saver plus, Internet saver,etc).

Looking at it cynically, they depend on the inertia/hassel factor of having to open a new acount at the end of the 12 months to bgt your money then pay you 1%.

Every year I have to open new savings accounts with them ( did it a few days ago) and then switch all my savings into that new account at the higher rate, and repeat each March, and in April for ISA's. I have a number of 'dead' A&L saving accounts from previous years where the 12 month honeymoon ends and I have to empty the account to avoid being paid peanuts in interest.

If you don't want that hassel might be better choosing one with a lower rate but which you don't have to service in this way.
That just proves what a con the banks and building societys run. Having to jump through rings every year and leaving dormant accounts everywhere. Shocking.

I'm in a similar situation to the OP where I am just about to open a Barclays 3.1% ISA but still have £3,600 in this years Natwest e-ISA which will revert back to 0.5% in April. The Barclays one won't allow transfer so what should I do with the NAtwest money?

V8mate

45,899 posts

195 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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Moley RUFC said:
I'm in a similar situation to the OP where I am just about to open a Barclays 3.1% ISA but still have £3,600 in this years Natwest e-ISA which will revert back to 0.5% in April. The Barclays one won't allow transfer so what should I do with the NAtwest money?
Transfer it to someone who does.

Ribol

11,507 posts

264 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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T0M said:
I'm sure it was 3.5% the other day though...
It was, they have obviously realised they were "giving too much away" - where else are you going to go with new money, even at 3.2% frown


andy ted

1,294 posts

271 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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Ribol said:
T0M said:
I'm sure it was 3.5% the other day though...
It was, they have obviously realised they were "giving too much away" - where else are you going to go with new money, even at 3.2% frown
I think it was oversubscribed? It was a decent deal and they had a lot of applicants.....

Ribol

11,507 posts

264 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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andy ted said:
Ribol said:
T0M said:
I'm sure it was 3.5% the other day though...
It was, they have obviously realised they were "giving too much away" - where else are you going to go with new money, even at 3.2% frown
I think it was oversubscribed? It was a decent deal and they had a lot of applicants.....
If they were oversubscribed why offer 3.2%?

andy ted

1,294 posts

271 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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Ribol said:
andy ted said:
Ribol said:
T0M said:
I'm sure it was 3.5% the other day though...
It was, they have obviously realised they were "giving too much away" - where else are you going to go with new money, even at 3.2% frown
I think it was oversubscribed? It was a decent deal and they had a lot of applicants.....
If they were oversubscribed why offer 3.2%?
That is for the next tax year 10/11 I think....

Ribol

11,507 posts

264 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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andy ted said:
Ribol said:
andy ted said:
Ribol said:
T0M said:
I'm sure it was 3.5% the other day though...
It was, they have obviously realised they were "giving too much away" - where else are you going to go with new money, even at 3.2% frown
I think it was oversubscribed? It was a decent deal and they had a lot of applicants.....
If they were oversubscribed why offer 3.2%?
That is for the next tax year 10/11 I think....
No, you could open it the other day and they said it would continue into the new financial year. It was no good to me because they would not allow me to transfer in.

andy ted

1,294 posts

271 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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Ribol said:
andy ted said:
Ribol said:
andy ted said:
Ribol said:
T0M said:
I'm sure it was 3.5% the other day though...
It was, they have obviously realised they were "giving too much away" - where else are you going to go with new money, even at 3.2% frown
I think it was oversubscribed? It was a decent deal and they had a lot of applicants.....
If they were oversubscribed why offer 3.2%?
That is for the next tax year 10/11 I think....
No, you could open it the other day and they said it would continue into the new financial year. It was no good to me because they would not allow me to transfer in.
How odd? When I looked into it they said 3.5% was closed for the 09/10 financial year and that there was a 3.2% one for the next financial year for new savings only... neither were good to me as like you I was looking to switch.


Just had a look on their website and they are doing the variable bonus including switching but at 2.75%... I think that can be beaten elsewhere

Edited by andy ted on Wednesday 31st March 09:54

Moley RUFC

3,641 posts

195 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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Bham Midshires is the best I've seen where you can transfer in without having an existing current or savings account. 2.75% I think but only post opperated

Four Cofffee

11,827 posts

241 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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I have just looked at the other A&L 'deals' and many are the same, with a 'bonus' which ends in 12 months so you have to open a new account each year. As they sometimes limit the amount you can pay in to 'bonus' ISA to that years allowance your previous years allowances are stuck.

That new 3.2% deal is indeed branch only.

Screwed over at every turn.

In reality the only reason to put money in a cash ISA at the moment is to get it in the wrapper ready for when the rates go up. Otherwise I would let it 'rest' in my daughters intelligent mortgage account so she could get the benefit because I am sure as hell not getting any.

Edited by Four Cofffee on Wednesday 31st March 12:37

RDE

Original Poster:

4,966 posts

220 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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Thanks for all the replies, it makes much more sense now. Looks worth doing simply because the rates on all my other accounts are so pitiful.

Cheers!

MonzaEvo

296 posts

204 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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On the topic of ISAs, looks like my existing Bradford and Bingley ISAs (about 10 years worth - which were earning hefty benefits each year) have been moved into a SUB-Standard Santander ISA this year post-rebrand.... £50 interest is certainly not what B&B were giving

So the question is... where do I stand on this? Should I have "noticed" this unfair transfer? or is it simply down to me now to look for better offers elsewhere and transfer my entire ISA empire?

Rgds
Jonathan

Thou

108 posts

196 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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To save making a new topic on this-quick question.

Now that we're into the new tax year, can I invest the new year's allowance into the account I opened in the last financial year, or do I have to open a new one for every tax year?

Surely you must be able to subscribe to the old one, it's going to cause me some hassle with my stocks and shares ISA if not.

ninja-lewis

4,465 posts

196 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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Thou said:
To save making a new topic on this-quick question.

Now that we're into the new tax year, can I invest the new year's allowance into the account I opened in the last financial year, or do I have to open a new one for every tax year?

Surely you must be able to subscribe to the old one, it's going to cause me some hassle with my stocks and shares ISA if not.
You can with Cash ISAs - the application form mentions agreeing to ongoing subscription so you can simply deposit more money without having to worry about opening a new account.

Not so sure about Stocks and Shares - I don't think there's any legal barrier but their might be technical barriers at the provider. Best to ask them.