High-Level Accountant Recommendations?
High-Level Accountant Recommendations?
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Al Gorithum

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5,307 posts

239 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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OK does anyone have any personal recommendations for a firm of accountants willing/able to deal with an international group of companies with revenues in the $bns?

Don't really want to approach the big 4 but may have to.


Countdown

49,519 posts

227 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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What is the specific service that you are after? Accountants provide a wide range of services - Tax, Audit, Management Consultancy. Asking for an Accountant recommendation without specifying WHAT you need from them is a bit like saying “Can anybody recommend a Lawyer” or “Can anybody recommend a Specialist Doctor?”,

Al Gorithum

Original Poster:

5,307 posts

239 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Countdown said:
What is the specific service that you are after? Accountants provide a wide range of services - Tax, Audit, Management Consultancy. Asking for an Accountant recommendation without specifying WHAT you need from them is a bit like saying “Can anybody recommend a Lawyer” or “Can anybody recommend a Specialist Doctor?”,
Thanks. Setting up a company structure, and doing the auditing. All of the firms spoken to so far aren't interested, possibly to do with the value of the turnover in relation to their PI.

PrinceRupert

11,631 posts

116 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Surely any company with revenues in the billions is sufficiently sophisticated to already have accountants instructed, and if not has the nous to instruct some without asking on PH ... ?

sleepezy

2,144 posts

265 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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You're likely pushed down the Big 4 route given international (therefore need auditing in different jurdisticions presumably with a consensus formed and reported via the topco country of registration) and size of the company/audit fee. I suspect they've declined so far as you'll give them concentration issues on fee size - firms have a duty to ensure they don't over concentrate income on a small number of clients to avoid those clients having undue influence on the firms impartiality.

In my experience the cross borders 'clubs' formed by smaller firms to try to service international clients do not work particularly well.

Edit - this should really be in business and may get a better response there if the mods will move it.

Al Gorithum

Original Poster:

5,307 posts

239 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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sleepezy said:
You're likely pushed down the Big 4 route given international (therefore need auditing in different jurdisticions presumably with a consensus formed and reported via the topco country of registration) and size of the company/audit fee. I suspect they've declined so far as you'll give them concentration issues on fee size - firms have a duty to ensure they don't over concentrate income on a small number of clients to avoid those clients having undue influence on the firms impartiality.

In my experience the cross borders 'clubs' formed by smaller firms to try to service international clients do not work particularly well.

Edit - this should really be in business and may get a better response there if the mods will move it.
Thank you beer

ellroy

7,851 posts

256 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Big 4 is the answer from the brief info provided.

It’s the international structuring piece that will need multiple input as much as anything.

Al Gorithum

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5,307 posts

239 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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ellroy said:
Big 4 is the answer from the brief info provided.

It’s the international structuring piece that will need multiple input as much as anything.
Thanks Jerry. Your help on the other matter could be a life-safer too. Hugely appreciated beer


Unexpected Item In The Bagging Area

7,428 posts

220 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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I can put you in touch with a Big 4 audit partner in the UK. PM me if you like.

Mr_Megalomaniac

1,289 posts

97 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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ellroy said:
Big 4 is the answer from the brief info provided.

It’s the international structuring piece that will need multiple input as much as anything.
I would echo this.
I know an ex-partner from EY who is now at Duff & Phelps who do some structuring work as well if that is what you're looking for specifically. He's really good.
Otherwise I can just refer you to someone in my old team as well if you want along with this recommendation
Unexpected Item In The Bagging Area said:
I can put you in touch with a Big 4 audit partner in the UK. PM me if you like.

mikeiow

8,192 posts

161 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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PrinceRupert said:
Surely any company with revenues in the billions is sufficiently sophisticated to already have accountants instructed, and if not has the nous to instruct some without asking on PH ... ?
This is what struck me. Very strange!

anonymous-user

85 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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We used Mazars. We were a group structure (pvt ltd) and just UK/GBP based. They were very competent and not too expensive.

Al Gorithum

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5,307 posts

239 months

Wednesday 4th November 2020
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
We used Mazars. We were a group structure (pvt ltd) and just UK/GBP based. They were very competent and not too expensive.
Thank you. I put a call into them so am waiting to hear back.

leef44

5,208 posts

184 months

Wednesday 4th November 2020
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If you don't want to go Big4 then your next choice is Grant Thornton.

But depending on your needs, Big4 maybe better structured. They would have consistent methodology across their countries.

NickCQ

5,392 posts

127 months

Wednesday 4th November 2020
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PrinceRupert said:
Surely any company with revenues in the billions is sufficiently sophisticated to already have accountants instructed, and if not has the nous to instruct some without asking on PH ... ?
This is the same poster that needed to transfer several hundred million quid but didn't have a bank account.
Definitely an NHS PPE supplier wink

Al Gorithum

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5,307 posts

239 months

Wednesday 4th November 2020
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leef44 said:
If you don't want to go Big4 then your next choice is Grant Thornton.

But depending on your needs, Big4 maybe better structured. They would have consistent methodology across their countries.
Thank you beer

Al Gorithum

Original Poster:

5,307 posts

239 months

Wednesday 4th November 2020
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NickCQ said:
This is the same poster that needed to transfer several hundred million quid but didn't have a bank account.
Definitely an NHS PPE supplier wink
Thanks, but you know what they say about assumptions.