Anyone ever made any money on betfair?
Anyone ever made any money on betfair?
Author
Discussion

Salgar

Original Poster:

3,285 posts

214 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
I've been thinking today about ways of making a few extra pounds, and thinking about what skills I have.

I can program, basically, but I know nothing of trading. I've been reading a bit about arbitrage and market making and how these can be applied to betfair, but I also know that the market is flooded with professionals using arrays of computers to do this very thing.

I was thinking about writing a quick and dirty bot just to try it out, see if I could make a few % profit at low risk.

Has anyone ever done anything like this before and actually had any success?

Matt..

4,031 posts

219 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
Total Deposits:£160.00
Total Withdrawals:£115.34
Net Deposits:£44.66


Cant say it's working out for me. Though i just do a few £ every month for a bit of fun. It's not in any way serious, and i cant say my knowledge of sports is very high. From my very limited experience, i would say that i find US sports far easier to predict than football, and as they are only win/lose (no draw), the risk is somewhat lower. Most of mine gets wasted on highly optimistic multiples though.

raptor600

1,356 posts

176 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
Salgar said:
Has anyone ever done anything like this before and actually had any success?
You are a few years too late I am afraid.

In the early days it was a relatively imperfect market place - but now days that is no longer the case.

moles

1,860 posts

274 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
As above used to be a lot easier to make money but now is almost impossible unless you know a lot about the sport you are betting in, from a market point of view i'd say its almost impossible to make good money now. BF use their own bots which hoover up any market discrepancies.

Pothole

34,367 posts

312 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
moles said:
BF use their own bots which hoover up any market discrepancies.
That's not strictly true.

I made over £44,000 in one morning from Betfair.

moles

1,860 posts

274 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
Was that because of your betting skills though or a market anomaly?.

Pothole

34,367 posts

312 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
I sold the shares I had bought in the company sharesave scheme at the IPO. Bought at £2.17, sold at £13.00.

I know a few people who still make money on Betfair, but there are fewer than there used to be. Lots of charges these days, too.

raptor600

1,356 posts

176 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
Pothole said:
I sold the shares I had bought in the company sharesave scheme at the IPO. Bought at £2.17, sold at £13.00.

I know a few people who still make money on Betfair, but there are fewer than there used to be. Lots of charges these days, too.
I am not quite sure what you are talking about. What has selling shares in BF got to do with anything?

Bertrum

485 posts

253 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
raptor600 said:
Pothole said:
I sold the shares I had bought in the company sharesave scheme at the IPO. Bought at £2.17, sold at £13.00.

I know a few people who still make money on Betfair, but there are fewer than there used to be. Lots of charges these days, too.
I am not quite sure what you are talking about. What has selling shares in BF got to do with anything?
Question on the thread 'anyone ever made any money on Betfair'

He did selling the shares. Why are you confused?? He answered the question.

raptor600

1,356 posts

176 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
Bertrum said:
raptor600 said:
Pothole said:
I sold the shares I had bought in the company sharesave scheme at the IPO. Bought at £2.17, sold at £13.00.

I know a few people who still make money on Betfair, but there are fewer than there used to be. Lots of charges these days, too.
I am not quite sure what you are talking about. What has selling shares in BF got to do with anything?
Question on the thread 'anyone ever made any money on Betfair'

He did selling the shares. Why are you confused?? He answered the question.
He didn't answer the question at all.

He did not make money ON BetFair. He made money selling shares in the company.

If you read the OP you would clearly see he is talking about arbitrage through the BetFair market.

NightRunner

12,424 posts

224 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
quotequote all
raptor600 said:
He didn't answer the question at all.

He did not make money ON BetFair. He made money selling shares in the company.

If you read the OP you would clearly see he is talking about arbitrage through the BetFair market.
I think he was trying to be a funny boy, failed, but had a go .

Pothole

34,367 posts

312 months

Thursday 17th January 2013
quotequote all
I was taking the piss, for goodness' sake!

If I had a pound for every time I've seen a thread like this I'd probably have made just as much.

simoid

19,774 posts

188 months

Thursday 17th January 2013
quotequote all
Apparently, there are ways of using bookie's free bets to make risk free profit...

Jazzer77

1,533 posts

224 months

Thursday 17th January 2013
quotequote all
simoid said:
Apparently, there are ways of using bookie's free bets to make risk free profit...
I tried this and to be fair it was a real ballache. Tracking half a dozen bookies and laying them off against betfair for a 20 quid stake didn't seem worth it. Think I ended up £100 up after about 12 hours work and you can only get the signup bonus's once so its not like you can make a living off these.


Much prefer going for value bets where to me the market looks out of touch.
Latest:
Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Politics / 2012 Presidential Election : Next President 06-Nov-12 11:00 07-Nov-12 09:08 £484.50 (profit)

Pollsters saying it was 90-95% Democrat victory, betfair punters giving a 60-70% chance.

shakotan

10,862 posts

226 months

Thursday 17th January 2013
quotequote all
Jazzer77 said:
simoid said:
Apparently, there are ways of using bookie's free bets to make risk free profit...
I tried this and to be fair it was a real ballache. Tracking half a dozen bookies and laying them off against betfair for a 20 quid stake didn't seem worth it. Think I ended up £100 up after about 12 hours work and you can only get the signup bonus's once so its not like you can make a living off these.

Much prefer going for value bets where to me the market looks out of touch.
Latest:
Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Politics / 2012 Presidential Election : Next President 06-Nov-12 11:00 07-Nov-12 09:08 484.50
I did the bookie's free bets thing over 3 months, Dec to Feb last year, came away with about £2500 profit, once I'd been through all the signup deals and reload bonuses.

Jazzer77

1,533 posts

224 months

Thursday 17th January 2013
quotequote all
£2,500 nice work. How many signup bonus's did you do?

BJG1

5,966 posts

242 months

Thursday 17th January 2013
quotequote all
I did the same with the arbitrage stuff - more effort than it's worth if you have a well-paying job IME.

I do make money on Betfair though, first goalscorer bets and draw bets. You have to be better at working out the odds than the average person staking their money on the market. Simple as that.

shakotan

10,862 posts

226 months

Thursday 17th January 2013
quotequote all
Jazzer77 said:
£2,500 nice work. How many signup bonus's did you do?
About 20-30, plus a number of reload/offers on the existing bookies

Sargeant Orange

3,195 posts

177 months

Thursday 17th January 2013
quotequote all
simoid said:
Apparently, there are ways of using bookie's free bets to make risk free profit...
We used to have a thread going in the business section.

Yes you need to put some time in up front but you can make a nice bit to top up your salary. I started in 2005 when the offers were a lot more generous (especially casino requirements) but there's still money to be made - I made just over £10k in 2012, the majority being reload bonuses or casino risk frees, the top 5 being:

William Hill - £4k
Coral - £1k
Betfair £1k
Paddy - £750
Ladbrokes - £750



TimJM

1,497 posts

240 months

Thursday 17th January 2013
quotequote all
Sargeant Orange said:
We used to have a thread going in the business section.

Yes you need to put some time in up front but you can make a nice bit to top up your salary. I started in 2005 when the offers were a lot more generous (especially casino requirements) but there's still money to be made - I made just over £10k in 2012, the majority being reload bonuses or casino risk frees, the top 5 being:

William Hill - £4k
Coral - £1k
Betfair £1k
Paddy - £750
Ladbrokes - £750
How do you avoid being banned? In my experience your bookie account only lasts a few hours or at best a few days before you receive a phone call telling you "your account has been closed, please do not place a bet with them again and their decision if final". If you are lucky you mostly get your deposit back.