36% APR Credit Card. Why is this legal?
36% APR Credit Card. Why is this legal?
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-Pete-

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2,914 posts

206 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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Can anyone justify this kind of thing? http://www.luma.co.uk/?m=tmy&cam=(CreditCardSp...

Complex

520 posts

205 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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As it says I guess. For credit 'building'. No one in their right mind would actually borrow using it. But for those who can't get anything else, a couple of purchases a month and then paying it off in full each and every month will build them a more favorable history, regardless of the extortionate APR.

Either way, beats a pay-day loan.

oldnbold

1,280 posts

176 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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-Pete- said:
Can anyone justify this kind of thing? http://www.luma.co.uk/?m=tmy&cam=(CreditCardSp...
Who do you think applies for cards with these kind of rates?

Possibly people with fairly shakey credit history perhaps?

Whats the alternative, Wonga at 2000%+ ?



-Pete-

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2,914 posts

206 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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Do you think the type of people who'd need this kind of card would have the sense to pay off the debt every month? It's like giving someone suicidal a gun to prove he/she won't shoot themselves.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

218 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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Payday loans tend to be orders of magnitude above that.

-Pete-

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2,914 posts

206 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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I fail to see why it should be legal to fleece the financially inept.

SpeckledJim

34,319 posts

283 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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TheEnd said:
Payday loans tend to be orders of magnitude above that.
Payday loans typically 2000%. Sick.

It is our duty as a civilised society to protect those too stupid to know better.

groak

3,254 posts

209 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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The exorbitant rates charged by payday lenders takes into account the significant number who steal rather than borrow the cash. The thieves considerably dilute the profit.

wiffmaster

2,622 posts

228 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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-Pete- said:
I fail to see why it should be legal to fleece the financially inept.
I fail to see why it shouldn't.

They're driving a hard bargain, but they don't appear to be doing anything disingenuous. If you're a high risk client (as their customers will be) then rates at that level seem pretty fair.

tali1

5,286 posts

231 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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36% is unacceptable with such low intrest rates - but it is hardly the worst
Go overdrawn with Halifax and charges hit 100000%

fandango_c

1,993 posts

216 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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SpeckledJim said:
Payday loans typically 2000%. Sick.

It is our duty as a civilised society to protect those too stupid to know better.
APR isn't meaningful for payday loans.

ringram

14,702 posts

278 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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-Pete- said:
I fail to see why it should be legal to fleece the financially inept.
Its called freedom. Perhaps this is a foreign concept to some?

Why should I not have the option of using something like this if I want to!?

What gives people the moral authority to run my life?

geeks

11,758 posts

169 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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My APR on the credit card isn't much below that! I had my credit history destroyed by a vindictive bh of an ex-girlfriend.. It took my nearly 5 years to get everything sorted and now I have to rebuild my credit history and its the only option i have! Has a low limit and i put my diesel on it through the month and pay all but £50 off each pay day.. Its doing its job i must say, gained some credit score points over the last 6 months!

LeoSayer

7,838 posts

274 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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SpeckledJim said:
Payday loans typically 2000%. Sick.

It is our duty as a civilised society to protect those too stupid to know better.
How should we do that?

A qualification in personal finance? Fail = no credit for you?

TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

280 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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-Pete- said:
Do you think the type of people who'd need this kind of card would have the sense to pay off the debt every month? It's like giving someone suicidal a gun to prove he/she won't shoot themselves.
You've answered your own question in that post. No, they won't pay off the debt, many will default and so the cost of servicing those loans is far higher to this company; thus, the higher charges.

walm

10,644 posts

232 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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SpeckledJim said:
Payday loans typically 2000%. Sick.

It is our duty as a civilised society to protect those too stupid to know better.
Yup - protect them. Ban payday loans. rolleyes

Just let them starve for a few days, fail to buy nappies for their kids or turn to illegal loan sharks.
That will protect them.


As has been pointed out - the risks with these loans are far higher than for regular credit - hence the high charges.

Read up some of the stories about mid-night shopping in WalMart for example.

It is often poverty line minimum wage mothers buying nappies and formula for their kids.
They simply don't have any other (legal) choice.

SpeckledJim

34,319 posts

283 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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walm said:
SpeckledJim said:
Payday loans typically 2000%. Sick.

It is our duty as a civilised society to protect those too stupid to know better.
Yup - protect them. Ban payday loans. rolleyes

Just let them starve for a few days, fail to buy nappies for their kids or turn to illegal loan sharks.
That will protect them.


As has been pointed out - the risks with these loans are far higher than for regular credit - hence the high charges.

Read up some of the stories about mid-night shopping in WalMart for example.

It is often poverty line minimum wage mothers buying nappies and formula for their kids.
They simply don't have any other (legal) choice.
They're sharks feeding off the weakest and stupidest. I'd wager for every one payday loan that is used for genuine (very) temporary hardship and then paid off at the earliest opportunity, there are nine spiralling into crushing long-term debt. Literally thousands of pounds paid back from an initial amount of less than £100.

Their friendly neighborhood representatives are constantly encouraged (and incentivised) to push more debt onto those who pay a bit each week, but can't pay it all.

"you can have £1000 now, for just £35 a week..." (forever)

If people can't live on their income, then they can't live on their income less huge interest, can they?

Crooks.

walm

10,644 posts

232 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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While I applaud the sentiment - you aren't offering a practical solution.

If it were as simple as "that rate is usurious shut them down" even our beleaguered government would have managed it.

Without pay day loans, many would end up borrowing elsewhere.
i.e. Loan sharks.
I hope you agree that is worse.


You can't stop the financially challenged from borrowing money when they desperately desperately need it.
If you put a limit on the interest rates then you will force the legitimate lenders out of business since the impairment rate/default rates are so high.

There is no easy fix.

Although you are right about one thing.
Check out the name of the most famous doorstep lending company in the UK's name!
http://www.providentfinancial.com/index.asp?pageid...

groak

3,254 posts

209 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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walm said:
It is often poverty line minimum wage mothers buying nappies and formula for their kids.
They simply don't have any other (legal) choice.
Nonsense.

Hugo a Gogo

23,437 posts

263 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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as others have said, APR is pretty meaningless for short term loans - including a credit card where you pay it off every month

If I lend you 100 quid, and say give me 103 back at the end of the month - that's an APR of 36%