Bank Of Mum & Dad .. what's a fair rate?
Bank Of Mum & Dad .. what's a fair rate?
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fido

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18,918 posts

285 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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To save a bit of time on a small mortgage, i have applied to the BoM&D for a loan. It will take 2-3 weeks to get an Offset from **Bank and there is the initial fee of course.
I know PH is full of trustafarians, so what would you offer to pay as interest? Just to add, the BoM&D don't want any payment (they just want me to be happy and help them set up their new PC and gardening and ...) but i feel a bit less needy if i pay something.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

234 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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Pay them at least what it's costing them.

So if it's out of their savings, then beat their savings interest rate.

If it's a new loan they've taken out to give to you, then beat that interest rate.

Megaflow

11,577 posts

255 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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When I have had loans in the past from BoM&D we took their savings rate and the cheapest loan I could find and went smack in the middle of the two numbers. Equal benefit for both parties.

fido

Original Poster:

18,918 posts

285 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Megaflow said:
When I have had loans in the past from BoM&D we took their savings rate and the cheapest loan I could find and went smack in the middle of the two numbers. Equal benefit for both parties.
Ok, we hammered out a deal yesterday - i've agreed on BoE + 1.25% with the BoM&D. TBH I feel a little cheated.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

234 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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fido said:
Megaflow said:
When I have had loans in the past from BoM&D we took their savings rate and the cheapest loan I could find and went smack in the middle of the two numbers. Equal benefit for both parties.
Ok, we hammered out a deal yesterday - i've agreed on BoE + 1.25% with the BoM&D. TBH I feel a little cheated.
Why do you feel cheated? Could you get the money cheaper elsewhere?

carreauchompeur

18,328 posts

234 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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mrmr96 said:
fido said:
Megaflow said:
When I have had loans in the past from BoM&D we took their savings rate and the cheapest loan I could find and went smack in the middle of the two numbers. Equal benefit for both parties.
Ok, we hammered out a deal yesterday - i've agreed on BoE + 1.25% with the BoM&D. TBH I feel a little cheated.
Why do you feel cheated? Could you get the money cheaper elsewhere?
1.75%? Jeez.

kiethton

14,660 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Wow, your rather lucky...

Last time I looked to borrow money from my parents for a similar purpose they seemed to think that 10-15% APR was fair...so that plan was shelved

fido

Original Poster:

18,918 posts

285 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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carreauchompeur said:
1.75%? Jeez.
I should add, there is the [admitedly unlikely] event they want the principal back and i'll have 6 months or so to get a loan/offset. But yes, i think the rate reflects what alot of borrowers (who fixed a while back) are enjoying under ZIRP!

Deva Link

26,934 posts

275 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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fido said:
Ok, we hammered out a deal yesterday - i've agreed on BoE + 1.25% with the BoM&D. TBH I feel a little cheated.
Bubble them to HMRC so they get stung for tax. wink

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

263 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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fido said:
Megaflow said:
When I have had loans in the past from BoM&D we took their savings rate and the cheapest loan I could find and went smack in the middle of the two numbers. Equal benefit for both parties.
Ok, we hammered out a deal yesterday - i've agreed on BoE + 1.25% with the BoM&D. TBH I feel a little cheated.
It is a fair rate, but not overly so.

With these sort of loans though there is much more to consider than just the usual "Can you afford to repay it?" Other children have to be taken into account, who might be much less stable than you. How would it go down if a sister asked for the same loan, yet Mum and Dad did not consider that they were anywhere near as likely to repay or even make the interest payments?

A long time ago I was mid term on a mortgage and found that the windows I planned to replace in a few years were not going to last the winter. A quick deal with the BoM&D resulted in a fix rate loan over a 12 month term at an interest rate half way between that they got on their savings and that which I could have borrowed it at on a short term loan. Everyone was a winner and the debt was repaid with all interest and a thank you meal well inside the term.


fido

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18,918 posts

285 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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^Yep, they've helped me out on a few occasions when i've screwed up my cashflow but i always redeem promptly.

Slightly off-topic but do you ever drive through Wimbledon (South). I've seen your car (CS) or one like it, blasting up and down the high-street .. in a socially-acceptable manner i should add.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

263 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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fido said:
Slightly off-topic but do you ever drive through Wimbledon (South). I've seen your car (CS) or one like it, blasting up and down the high-street .. in a socially-acceptable manner i should add.
I do get down that way from time to time but doubt that that was me smile Only just got mine back after a few months sorting out a leaking sunroof (memo to self if a seal isn't leaking, don't replace it even if it looks a little ratty!)

Cyder

7,189 posts

250 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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I was in a pickle last year and the BOMD bailed me out by withdrawing the money from a saving account at 5%.

Without hesitation I offered to borrow the money from them at 5% interest so they weren't out of pocket.

They've done an awful lot for me while I was at Uni and before, so to pay them a decent interest rate and not leave them out of pocket for the umpteenth time was the least I could do.

amoeba

212 posts

196 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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kiethton said:
Wow, your rather lucky...

Last time I looked to borrow money from my parents for a similar purpose they seemed to think that 10-15% APR was fair...so that plan was shelved
Nice to know my parents aren't the only tight ones!

jagracer

8,248 posts

266 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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amoeba said:
kiethton said:
Wow, your rather lucky...

Last time I looked to borrow money from my parents for a similar purpose they seemed to think that 10-15% APR was fair...so that plan was shelved
Nice to know my parents aren't the only tight ones!
Just lent my daughter around half my saving toward her mortgage deposit, although she's offered to start paying back I've told her to hold on for a while until she's properly settled. I wouldn't dream of asking for any interest and tbh don't expect to get the money back although I would push for it if I were strapped for cash.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

275 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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jagracer said:
... tbh don't expect to get the money back although I would push for it if I were strapped for cash.
Hmmm...that's a recipe for relationship disaster. Either you want it back or it's a gift.

jagracer

8,248 posts

266 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Deva Link said:
Hmmm...that's a recipe for relationship disaster. Either you want it back or it's a gift.
Not expecting and not wanting are two different things

longone

252 posts

270 months

Wednesday 5th September 2012
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I think you should pay them whatever rate, if they were not an option, you would have accepted from the high street. If you ever actually pay it all back, including the agreed interest, then if they also accept it would otherwise have just sat where it is now, then they have the option to split the difference with you at the end of the term. The point I'm making is you have to properly compensate them for the foregone opportunity because you have their money.
Without taking a market rate from you they cannot properly evaluate the potential loss from you holding their money.
If that is too mean for their taste then I would suggest they give you a small gift of the amount they are prepared to save you and tell you to borrow the principle at your aceptable market rate. That way they still have the bulk of their money and do not loose any opportunity.
I see a serious side to this. Many older people accept ZIRP or similar out of ignorance. I have lobbied many of my friends to encourage their parents to consider the options available and not just accept financial repression. Once they loan you money it gets more difficult to explore the options.
Colin.

fido

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18,918 posts

285 months

Thursday 6th September 2012
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I see your points but we've already shaken on it, and i'm not a man who will go back on a handshake.

laughdrink

OllieC

3,816 posts

244 months

Thursday 6th September 2012
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jagracer said:
amoeba said:
kiethton said:
Wow, your rather lucky...

Last time I looked to borrow money from my parents for a similar purpose they seemed to think that 10-15% APR was fair...so that plan was shelved
Nice to know my parents aren't the only tight ones!
Just lent my daughter around half my saving toward her mortgage deposit, although she's offered to start paying back I've told her to hold on for a while until she's properly settled. I wouldn't dream of asking for any interest and tbh don't expect to get the money back although I would push for it if I were strapped for cash.
I got told to bugger off when I wanted to borrow some money (few years back now !)

no 'poor credit history' either, just no lending !