Youth unemployment
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This is arguably one of the worst area for unemployment as you stand a strong chance of setting a youngster on the road to a lifetime accustomed to welfare.
However, in the last few weeks I have met a couple of kids who quit jobs in restaraunts because they were being mocked by their mates because they couldn't sit in the park drinking cider.
Also, I have recently met a bunch of graduates from odd Uni's with odd degrees who are refusing to accept any job that isn't seemingly well above their real status.
So the question is, outside of the real and serious problem areas how much of this youth unemployment is down to unrealistic expectations and poor work ethic? And if so, who has been responsible for leading them down this road to destruction?
However, in the last few weeks I have met a couple of kids who quit jobs in restaraunts because they were being mocked by their mates because they couldn't sit in the park drinking cider.
Also, I have recently met a bunch of graduates from odd Uni's with odd degrees who are refusing to accept any job that isn't seemingly well above their real status.
So the question is, outside of the real and serious problem areas how much of this youth unemployment is down to unrealistic expectations and poor work ethic? And if so, who has been responsible for leading them down this road to destruction?
You're absolutely right. So many people are able to sponge off parents until well into their twenties (and even thirties) so they have no need to get a job. Thus they wait for something easy, well paid and part time to come up. When jobs were aplenty, that was fine - now jobs are in short supply, that kind of work isn't readily available, but these people have no need to alter their behaviour. It was mentioned on the radio the other day that if you take out all the people looking for a job but aren't too bothered about it, it changes the unemployment figures quite dramatically.
DonkeyApple said:
However, in the last few weeks I have met a couple of kids who quit jobs in restaraunts because they were being mocked by their mates because they couldn't sit in the park drinking cider.
But surely they reply that in time they will have money for cars and holidays etc Or am I just being silly and those sitting in the park drinking cider (where do they get the money from?) will be able to also have cars and holidays!?
Jasandjules said:
But surely they reply that in time they will have money for cars and holidays etc
Or am I just being silly and those sitting in the park drinking cider (where do they get the money from?) will be able to also have cars and holidays!?
Bank of mum and dad. I know a 27 year old who lives at home and still goes on paid-for family holsOr am I just being silly and those sitting in the park drinking cider (where do they get the money from?) will be able to also have cars and holidays!?
DonkeyApple said:
So the question is, outside of the real and serious problem areas how much of this youth unemployment is down to unrealistic expectations and poor work ethic?
It pretty much puts them out of the game, which has moved on considerably since i left university. Just walked past our new intake of graduates and they were all foreign students - and i'm including quite a few americans in that. Put it another way, if you need your mum to help you get out of bed, or can't even be arsed to spellcheck your CV .. how far do you think you will get through the zillions of rounds needed to land a graddie job these days. My cousin had to work for three months - unpaid - just to get a foot in the door. Took her 15 months after leaving university to get a job. It's hard out there.Edited by fido on Thursday 14th April 09:37
DonkeyApple said:
This is arguably one of the worst area for unemployment as you stand a strong chance of setting a youngster on the road to a lifetime accustomed to welfare.
However, in the last few weeks I have met a couple of kids who quit jobs in restaraunts because they were being mocked by their mates because they couldn't sit in the park drinking cider.
Also, I have recently met a bunch of graduates from odd Uni's with odd degrees who are refusing to accept any job that isn't seemingly well above their real status.
So the question is, outside of the real and serious problem areas how much of this youth unemployment is down to unrealistic expectations and poor work ethic? And if so, who has been responsible for leading them down this road to destruction?
A lot of it is down to discipline and poor education standards.However, in the last few weeks I have met a couple of kids who quit jobs in restaraunts because they were being mocked by their mates because they couldn't sit in the park drinking cider.
Also, I have recently met a bunch of graduates from odd Uni's with odd degrees who are refusing to accept any job that isn't seemingly well above their real status.
So the question is, outside of the real and serious problem areas how much of this youth unemployment is down to unrealistic expectations and poor work ethic? And if so, who has been responsible for leading them down this road to destruction?
I always felt as though the school was teaching me to be an adult and you progressed through the school to leave as such, however such discipline and moral standing of the teacher seems to have been lost in a lot of schools. I don't blame the teachers at all, they are constantly restricted on what they can and can't do or teach, this attitude holds down children's development as a person as well as their broader education outside of the national curriculum. This is creating a whole gap in the population of people that don't have the drive and ambition that I had on leaving school, or those that do have great ambitions and don't want to put in the hours and hours and years of work to attain their target of a super car or whatever it may be
We've had limited exposure to yoof over recent years, but it's mostly been positive; kids willing to work and learn and aware that they do have to come into an organisation at or near the bottom and work their way up.
However, a few years back we had an 18yo girl who reckoned (we never verified the claimed qualifications on her CV) to have a grade 'C' in English. yet was totally incapable of working out how to address an envelope...
The latest conversations with schools is extremely encouraging. There seems to be a return to the apprenticeship ethos and both the education system and (most) of the pupils have a very much improved attitude to work.
As to the original question, Labour - through the benefits system, 'degrees for all' and the huge swell of PS non-jobs - undoubtedly caused nearly as much damage to the economy with their meddlings in this area as they did with their impecunious bookeeping.
However, a few years back we had an 18yo girl who reckoned (we never verified the claimed qualifications on her CV) to have a grade 'C' in English. yet was totally incapable of working out how to address an envelope...
The latest conversations with schools is extremely encouraging. There seems to be a return to the apprenticeship ethos and both the education system and (most) of the pupils have a very much improved attitude to work.
As to the original question, Labour - through the benefits system, 'degrees for all' and the huge swell of PS non-jobs - undoubtedly caused nearly as much damage to the economy with their meddlings in this area as they did with their impecunious bookeeping.
There is also the worrying fact that many places are now into second generation unemployment, if your mother and father have never worked a day in their lives why would / should you?
Prime example I heard yesterday young lad had to quit his job as his alarm clock waking him up for work was waking his mother and father up who were going to kick him out so homelessness or a minimum wage job?
Prime example I heard yesterday young lad had to quit his job as his alarm clock waking him up for work was waking his mother and father up who were going to kick him out so homelessness or a minimum wage job?
fido said:
Jeez, where were you during the last decade? Winky put up taxes during the Boom years .. at least the coalition have a good excuse to put up taxes!
In fairness, Winky only increased basic rate from 10% to 20%, the higher rate to 50%, increased NI, increased petrol, increased VAT, increased council tax, increased stamp duty, increased tax on dividends, taxed pensions etc etc and introduced countless fees, charges and fines.He also managed to spend all of this, everything we had before he arrived and everything we are going to generate for the next 2 generations.
Apart from that, I'm not sure what you are getting at
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