£136 million public service bonuses. Where is Bob Crow?
£136 million public service bonuses. Where is Bob Crow?
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johnfm

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13,751 posts

280 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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Surely Bob Crow, Brendan Barber and Mark Serwotka will be all over the news 'bashing' the Whitehall public service employees on the receiving end of a £136 million bonus pool - for doing their jobs.


I expect Ed Militwunt should be on the BBC demanding the government do something about the ridiculous PS bonus systems put in place by......


..the last government.

Read it and weep.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

Randy Winkman

22,634 posts

219 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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This is a disgrace - I want my £2 back.

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,751 posts

280 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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Randy Winkman said:
This is a disgrace - I want my £2 back.
You sound comfortable with the idea that people in charge of MOD procurement, that is, buying stuff rather than actually creating any wealth, were paid a bonus to do their jobs. Paid from tax revenues (not revenues generated as a result of their work).

How odd.

Tsippy

15,078 posts

199 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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johnfm said:
Randy Winkman said:
This is a disgrace - I want my £2 back.
You sound comfortable with the idea that people in charge of MOD procurement, that is, buying stuff rather than actually creating any wealth, were paid a bonus to do their jobs. Paid from tax revenues (not revenues generated as a result of their work).

How odd.
On top of the various bribes they're also (possibly wink ) paid for sending work to certain customers.....

Randy Winkman

22,634 posts

219 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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"No" to performance pay in the public sector then?

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

234 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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Randy Winkman said:
"No" to performance pay in the public sector then?
Judging by the roads round us they'd be paying to turn up to work

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,751 posts

280 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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Randy Winkman said:
"No" to performance pay in the public sector then?
By what metric?

There is no upside for them to benefit from - as they don't make, create or sell anything. So their targets are performance targets. How many sick people can you cure this week, how many tanks can you correctly procure and put into service. But the downside of meeting these targets have no impact on them anyway - they never lose their jobs. So monetary motivation does not work anyway.


Maybe there should be a negative impact result - which is their motivation. If they fall below a certain performance they lose their job. This is how some of the private sector works. Meet or exceed targets (that mean we as a business make more money) and you get a slice of that extra earnings above your wage. Fall below target too much and we replace you with someone more capable.

This does not apply in the land of job for life.

In fact, the unions are moaning about job cuts, many of which are no greater than natural wastage (retirement and resignation) cuts anyway. That is how bad the PS culture is.

voyds9

8,490 posts

313 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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Friend of mine gets a 'bonus' for turning up all week.

How bad was attendance was this to become a bonus.

eldar

25,301 posts

226 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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voyds9 said:
Friend of mine gets a 'bonus' for turning up all week.
I get a bonus for turning up all week as well. Its called a jobsmile

steveobes

632 posts

209 months

Sunday 13th February 2011
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These people as you know dont live in the real world,try being self employed for a year.
Wonder how many days off they would take then.
They make me puke

Sticks.

9,717 posts

281 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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johnfm said:
By what metric?

There is no upside for them to benefit from - as they don't make, create or sell anything.
It doesn't take much imagination to see how a civil servant's work could be measured and performance targets applied.

johnfm said:
Maybe there should be a negative impact result - which is their motivation. If they fall below a certain performance they lose their job.
This has been the case in the civil service for years afaik.


MKnight702

3,440 posts

244 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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Sticks. said:
It doesn't take much imagination to see how a civil servant's work could be measured and performance targets applied.
Having "worked" in the Civil Service for a time, I shudder to think of the metrics that could be put in place.

All sick days taken - check
All customer enquiries ignored/confused/tied up in red tape - check
Total budget spent, even if there was no need - check
All projects late, over budget, over complicated and unusable - check

Bing o

15,184 posts

249 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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Sticks. said:
johnfm said:
Maybe there should be a negative impact result - which is their motivation. If they fall below a certain performance they get promoted or become an MP.
This has been the case in the civil service for years afaik.
Fixed that for you.

Sticks.

9,717 posts

281 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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Bing o said:
Sticks. said:
johnfm said:
Maybe there should be a negative impact result - which is their motivation. If they fall below a certain performance they get promoted or become an MP.
This has been the case in the civil service for years afaik.
Fixed that for you.
laugh