Tough on crime

[xe mini]

Well that will show the naughty boy. With such harsh punishment I am convinced he and his pals will stay on the straight and narrow and not reoffend for fear of receiving the full wrath of our fine justice system again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355149/Te...

[selwonk]

I was fined more than that for 40 in a 30.

[thinfourth2]

If i pay £200 can i smash his face in with a brick?

[98elise]

Link doesn't work for me....but I think I know the story

Did he have to pay a "victim surcharge" like people do if they go over 30mph?

[fido]

and yet the axe-wielding farmer gets ..

"84-day sentence suspended for 12 months, ordered to complete 250 hours of community service and to pay £300 court costs."

.. for scaring some littering scrotes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1354778/Ax...

Now just say hypothetically she was to do the same to him, would she also get fined £200? Or is revenge treated as a more serious crime?

Edited by fido on Friday 11th February 13:22

[jesta1865]

even better this lives just round the corner to me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355843/Si...

[CoopR]

hmmm £200, that's good value. At that sort of rate my I can afford to add many more people to my "would like to throw a brick in their face" list.

Starting with the judge and the scrote!

[Tsippy]

CoopR said:

hmmm £200, that's good value. At that sort of rate my I can afford to add many more people to my "would like to throw a brick in their face" list.

Starting with the judge and the scrote!

Don't anyone dare mention Moonbat! Woops

[Jasandjules]

FFS.

The social contract is being broken by the state.

[Vipers]

the boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, if he has been convicted, then name and shame him.

Yet they dont bother about naming the landlord who they thought murdered the young girl near Bristol the other week.

£200 is just shocking, hope someone takes upon them to give him some advice on how he conducts his self, preferably given in a dark alley way......

Good old British justice................ beggers belief. Oh hang on a bit, I suppose they have to uphold his human rights don't they.

[boredofmyoldname]

Society is broken when something that could have killed that girl gets punished by a £200 fine, that will likely be taken from his (or his parents) benefits so actually it isn't a fine at all just a slight drop in income for a few weeks.

So a young girls gets a severe injury, plus the damage to the car she was travelling in, and the associated trauma of being injured (and her parents worry). Yet the scummy little who probably did it for a laugh gets of pretty much for free.

Things like this will lead to vigilante justice, mass social disorder and probably quite a few deaths.

Why should people respect the rule of law when the courts who enforce punishment are too weak to give it out?

Why should decent people have to just accept having a brick thrown at their car is acceptable?

I know had that been my daughter then I would probably be awaiting trial for murder right now because I couldn't rest with the punishment handed out.

[ukwill]

If the father of that girl had tracked the perp down and beat the st out of him, I wonder how lenient the courts would have been?

[Tsippy]

boredofmyoldname said:

Society is broken when something that could have killed that girl gets punished by a £200 fine, that will likely be taken from his (or his parents) benefits so actually it isn't a fine at all just a slight drop in income for a few weeks.

So a young girls gets a severe injury, plus the damage to the car she was travelling in, and the associated trauma of being injured (and her parents worry). Yet the scummy little who probably did it for a laugh gets of pretty much for free.

Things like this will lead to vigilante justice, mass social disorder and probably quite a few deaths.

Why should people respect the rule of law when the courts who enforce punishment are too weak to give it out?

Why should decent people have to just accept having a brick thrown at their car is acceptable?

I know had that been my daughter then I would probably be awaiting trial for murder right now because I couldn't rest with the punishment handed out.

Agreed, people take the law into their own hands as they do not feel that the courts are capable of serving justice as this case has demonstrated.

[Jasandjules]

Tsippy said:

Agreed, people take the law into their own hands as they do not feel that the courts are capable of serving justice as this case has demonstrated.

Indeed.

Justice appears to be seriously lacking an awful lot of the time these days, hence my point that the state is failing in it's part of the social contract. Perhaps it is time to re-negotiate the terms !

[freecar]

ukwill said:

If the father of that girl had tracked the perp down and beat the st out of him, I wonder how lenient the courts would have been?

He should smash him with a brick and leave a cheque for £200 on his bloodied face.

Just where should we address our vitriol though? Where would our anger be best served? Is there any way where we the public can demand that a sentence is reviewed?

Frankly, stories in the mail do nothing other than stir up hatred in middle england, surely there must be a way in our democratic society to show the powers that be that the sentence in this case is inadequate and that the public who elected them are demanding reform.

[GestapoWatch]

Jasandjules said:

Indeed.

Justice appears to be seriously lacking an awful lot of the time these days, hence my point that the state is failing in it's part of the social contract. Perhaps it is time to re-negotiate the terms !

However just wait and the houlier than thou lot will come and tell us how very naughty vigilantiism is and that it makes us sink to scrote level, whilst completely ignoring the consistently low sentencing being dished out

[MX7]

Throw a fire extinguisher off a roof and don't injure anyone - 2 years and 8 months in prison.

Throw a brick through a car window and seriously injure someone - £200.

There are some terrible inconsistencies in our system. Personally I think they should both have received custodial sentences.

[OllieC]

How is that sentence justified, its ridiculous.

You would get worse for some bad driving as someone else pointed out.

The girl's father is a better man than me if he can manage not to take direct action as a result of this, I dont think I would be able to stop myself.

[theaxe]

I think the problem was that the boy who did it was just 14, I'd hope that if he was 18 some proper justice would have been applied.

[boredofmyoldname]

theaxe said:

I think the problem was that the boy who did it was just 14, I'd hope that if he was 18 some proper justice would have been applied.

Why should being 14 be an excuse or defence? Unless he was mentally much younger then he must have known that throwing a brick at a car wasn't a good idea.

Is a £200 fine proportionate?

A student who didn't hurt anyone was jailed for throwing a fire extinguisher, he had previous good character and was only 18.

The difference in these 2 cases, one was an innocent member of the public injured by a mindless thug who will likely not be at all affected by his punishment and will not have any trouble with his criminal record in the future.

The other was a 'potentially' serious incident in which nobody was actually hurt, but was the subject of some embarrassment to the state and outrage by the chattering classes. He was made an example of and will have a permanent blot on his record.

The student would quite probably have gone the rest of his life never doing anything so stupid, and due to the jail term will almost certainly never try it again. Where the cretin who threw the brick will think 'hmm £200 not too bad really' and I wouldn't be shocked if he commits more serious crimes between now and reaching 21.

The current political climate seems dominated by finance in one form or another, the question of justice and punishments that are proportional to the crime committed is so far from their minds that it will take vigilante justice, or one of their own to be caught out by the lack of justice in society to do something.