Airgun owners - lookin.

[Saddle bum]

According to reports I have read, on 10 Feb it will become necessary to secure an air weapon so as to prevent access by under 18-year olds. The only safe way to do this will be to put it in a gun cabinet.

I don't think many people know this................

BTW, it's a £1000 fine if not complied with.

[Pesty]

I thought the days of government interfering and and sticking their noses in were at an end when the conservatives get in.

Yep looks that way.

I'm sure it will stop all those gangs killing each other in Londo though so a good idea I'm sure.


ps thanks for the heads up

[eharding]

Saddle bum said:

According to reports I have read, on 10 Feb it will become necessary to secure an air weapon so as to prevent access by under 18-year olds

Any chance of a link?

[Ozzie Osmond]

Pesty said:

I thought the days of government interfering and and sticking their noses in were at an end

So you think it's a bad idea for airguns to be kept in a secure cabinet?
Maybe we should get rid of the secure caps on bleach bottles?
Put aspirin back in bottles of 100 rather than small quantities wrapped in foil?
Allow petrol to be bought in lemonade bottles?
Get rid of ABS, seat belts and crumple zones?

[Mattt]

Does shut in a cupboard with a load of crap in front count as secure? I certainly can't be arsed to get to it.

[Conian]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Pesty said:

I thought the days of government interfering and and sticking their noses in were at an end

So you think it's a bad idea for airguns to be kept in a secure cabinet?
Maybe we should get rid of the secure caps on bleach bottles?
Put aspirin back in bottles of 100 rather than small quantities wrapped in foil?
Allow petrol to be bought in lemonade bottles?
Get rid of ABS, seat belts and crumple zones?

yeah!
and give free surface to air missiles to monkeys!
is that what yuo want? cos that's what'll happen!

[Mattt]

Ozzie Osmond said:

So you think it's a bad idea for airguns to be kept in a secure cabinet?
Maybe we should get rid of the secure caps on bleach bottles?
Put aspirin back in bottles of 100 rather than small quantities wrapped in foil?
Allow petrol to be bought in lemonade bottles?
Get rid of ABS, seat belts and crumple zones?

Maybe we should make cutlery drawers lockable.

[eharding]

Conian said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Pesty said:

I thought the days of government interfering and and sticking their noses in were at an end

So you think it's a bad idea for airguns to be kept in a secure cabinet?
Maybe we should get rid of the secure caps on bleach bottles?
Put aspirin back in bottles of 100 rather than small quantities wrapped in foil?
Allow petrol to be bought in lemonade bottles?
Get rid of ABS, seat belts and crumple zones?

yeah!
and give free surface to air missiles to monkeys!
is that what yuo want? cos that's what'll happen!

Ozzie has a point - do you reckon the dibble would accept that I lock my air gun in the same air cupboard as I keep my air guitars?

[odyssey2200]

What would be deemed an acceptable cabinet?

[Saddle bum]

eharding said:

Saddle bum said:

According to reports I have read, on 10 Feb it will become necessary to secure an air weapon so as to prevent access by under 18-year olds

Any chance of a link?

Shooting Times this morning.

[odyssey2200]

How will the BiB know you have an Air Gun?

If you have a firearn you have to have a licence and it is registered.

As the BiB don't have a scooby who owns an Air Gun how are they going to check?

[jhfozzy]

I believe it's relating to this.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/...

Amendment said:

42
Offence of allowing minors access to air weapons


(1)
The Firearms Act 1968 is amended as follows.

30

(2)
After section 24 there is inserted—


“24ZA
Failing to prevent minors from having air weapons


(1)
It is an offence for a person in possession of an air weapon to fail to take


reasonable precautions to prevent any person under the age of eighteen


from having the weapon with him.

35

(2)
Subsection (1) does not apply where by virtue of section 23 of this Act


the person under the age of eighteen is not prohibited from having the


weapon with him.

"reasonable precautions" ????

[Nightmare]

odyssey2200 said:

How will the BiB know you have an Air Gun?

If you have a firearn you have to have a licence and it is registered.

As the BiB don't have a scooby who owns an Air Gun how are they going to check?

quite.
I bet this is so when they are already at some sort of problem it will allow them to remove things like this which maybe they cant do currently?
i doubt we'll suddenly see a rash of airgun busts!

[Pesty]

(1)
It is an offence for a person in possession of an air weapon to fail to take


reasonable precautions to prevent any person under the age of eighteen


from having the weapon with him.

35

(2)
Subsection (1) does not apply where by virtue of section 23 of this Act


the person under the age of eighteen is not prohibited from having the


weapon with him.


Bit sexist isnt it? shouldn't they get sacked? anyway I'm off teh hook I can leave mine around the house as I have two daughters

[Saddle bum]

odyssey2200 said:

How will the BiB know you have an Air Gun?

If you have a firearn you have to have a licence and it is registered.

As the BiB don't have a scooby who owns an Air Gun how are they going to check?

The main point is how is Joe public supposed to know about it. It's the same scenario as the Brocock pistol fiasco. Most owners did not know they had become illegal and as a consequence only a small percentage have been accounted for. Also as those pistols were never required to be registered, the owners were untraceable and did not give a toss that they were now banned.

[y2blade]

mine are in the cabinet next to my Beretta anyway...under lock and key is the best place for any weapon imho


thanks for the heads-up though, first I'd heard of it

[defblade]

eharding said:

Any chance of a link?

Sadly, yes.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-centre/press-re...

What a pointless waste of time and effort. This will achieve nothing that a locked gun bag/case and/or trigger lock won't do alreday. Either of those will stop children just "picking up" a gun, any more determination by the child and they'll get it anyway.

[Pothole]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Pesty said:

I thought the days of government interfering and and sticking their noses in were at an end

So you think it's a bad idea for airguns to be kept in a secure cabinet? Disingenuous question, but I don't think it's necessary.
Maybe we should get rid of the secure caps on bleach bottles? Fine by me.
Put aspirin back in bottles of 100 rather than small quantities wrapped in foil? Yes please.
Allow petrol to be bought in lemonade bottles? Again, fine by me.
Get rid of ABS, seat belts and crumple zones? That would make UK model cars more expensive, silly.

[Sway]

This does seem a little ridiculous.

The law amendment is clearly targetted at the ability of a minor to carry an airgun, not the ability to use an air rifle.

Which is odd, as there is no way in hell anyone, under 18 or over, who could figure out how to charge, load, remove safety, and actually fire my gun unless they were shown how. They could carry it around without ever being able to fire a shot. It's also very obvious to anyone that it's an air rifle, not a proper rifle.

So whilst my gun is very safe in that the gas cylinder is round a mate's house, the rifle is always depressurised before storage, and the magazines are often so safely stored I can't fking find them when I want them, the fact my rifle isn't in a locked cabinet means I'm breaking the law?

Good job I can have a chat with my neighbour to keep it in his shotgun cabinet with the proper toys...

[Road Pest]

Well, no minors in my house and the house is locked, does the house count as a cabinet (albeit a big one)?