Woman killed in dog attack in south London
Woman killed in dog attack in south London
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singlecoil

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Friday 24th December 2010
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-120726...


A woman has died after being attacked by a dog at a property in south London, police have said.

The victim, in her 40s, suffered "multiple injuries" during the attack on Thursday evening in Wallington.

Police were called by somebody else in the house and arrived at 2057 GMT to find the woman still grappling with the Belgian Mastiff.

Armed officers shot the dog dead and paramedics treated the victim, but she died an hour later.

The woman was pronounced dead at the scene. Her next of kin have yet to be informed.

One other person was in the property at the time of the attack but was not injured



Edited by singlecoil on Friday 24th December 08:22

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 24th December 2010
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Sad indeed...

singlecoil

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Friday 24th December 2010
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Makes me wonder if there will ever be a way of stopping this sort of thing from happening. Even if the government was to bring in effective anti-nasty-dog legislation there is no way it could be enforced.

thinfourth2

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Friday 24th December 2010
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singlecoil said:
Makes me wonder if there will ever be a way of stopping this sort of thing from happening. Even if the government was to bring in effective anti-nasty-dog legislation there is no way it could be enforced.
The only way to stop it from happening is a 100% ban on all dogs. All dogs have the potential to injure a human.

Cue the dog haters.

Ban feckwits not dogs

fido

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Friday 24th December 2010
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Wallington - let me guess it's some chav hell-hole round Sutton with people who like sporting big dogs - like a badge of chavness that occasionally backfires on the owner.

Murph7355

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Friday 24th December 2010
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singlecoil said:
Makes me wonder if there will ever be a way of stopping this sort of thing from happening. Even if the government was to bring in effective anti-nasty-dog legislation there is no way it could be enforced.
There is. But it'll never happen in this country.

Not being a dog person, I struggle to see why people insist on keeping dogs like this (i.e. ones that can very easily overpower a grown human, let alone a child, if they turn for whatever reason).

clonmult

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Friday 24th December 2010
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Am I the only one who finds it disturbing to read that the press have been informed of the incident before the family?

Balmoral Green

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Friday 24th December 2010
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Not so sure why it's the main TV news with outside broadcast units and a reporter for each network, the lead for at least five or ten minutes four times an hour? Might be worth a mention on the tickertape banner at the bottom of the screen, and maybe a forty second comment well into the news? But the main feature?

clonmult

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Friday 24th December 2010
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anonymous said:
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True .... but assuming she had teeth, dental records? Family should really be informed before the press.

singlecoil

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Friday 24th December 2010
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Murph7355 said:
Not being a dog person, I struggle to see why people insist on keeping dogs like this (i.e. ones that can very easily overpower a grown human, let alone a child, if they turn for whatever reason).
Yes. Lets get rid of Horses too rolleyes

Hang on, cars can too. Ban them as well.
Not really a satisfactory responses, unless you are suggesting that horses are likely to deliberately attack people? Cars too?

thinfourth2

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234 months

Friday 24th December 2010
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Murph7355 said:
Not being a dog person, I struggle to see why people insist on keeping dogs like this (i.e. ones that can very easily overpower a grown human, let alone a child, if they turn for whatever reason).
Small dogs tend to be angry snappy aggressive little sts where as the mastiff breeds if trained and well cared for are far gentler animals.

We have two italian mastiffs and while they are very powerful they are quite gentle in nature.



This is blue who is probably of a similar build to the guilty dog.

But one thing to note is the Belgian mastiff is rare breed so quite likely to be inbreed leading to a posibility of the dog being a bit mental

Digga

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313 months

Friday 24th December 2010
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clonmult said:
Am I the only one who finds it disturbing to read that the press have been informed of the incident before the family?
Seems 'the way' these days.

I was in Gatwick on Mon evening. The Sky screens told people the airport was shutting before the airport tannoy...

As for the dog attack, there's probably more to it, but agree that all dogs have the capacity to injure. I own two dogs - I'm a dog person - but can't say I'm 100% happy with current ownership controls. Both our dogs are rescue - biggish cross-breeds, clearly abandoned and/or mistreated by the underclass, prior to being rescued by charities - and the sheer numbers of these dogs turning up in the system is testimony to the level of failure to control ownership IMHO.

frosted

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Friday 24th December 2010
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fido said:
Wallington - let me guess it's some chav hell-hole round Sutton with people who like sporting big dogs - like a badge of chavness that occasionally backfires on the owner.
You sound very uneducated and scared of your own shadow

singlecoil

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Friday 24th December 2010
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frosted said:
fido said:
Wallington - let me guess it's some chav hell-hole round Sutton with people who like sporting big dogs - like a badge of chavness that occasionally backfires on the owner.
You sound very uneducated and scared of your own shadow
You live in the area? Can't think of any other reason for a response like that.

Murph7355

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Friday 24th December 2010
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Murph7355 said:
Not being a dog person, I struggle to see why people insist on keeping dogs like this (i.e. ones that can very easily overpower a grown human, let alone a child, if they turn for whatever reason).
Yes. Lets get rid of Horses too rolleyes

Hang on, cars can too. Ban them as well.
I'm far from being a fan of "banning" stuff for banning's sake as I tend to agree with the point I think you're making (i.e. it's a slippery slope).

I'd just like to understand why people keep an animal such as this.

A horse - people keep to ride I believe. I would assume the majority of injuries/deaths attributable to a horse happen to the owner? Maybe it's the same with dogs like these. Horses, to my mind, are quite different however in that they are not kept in a "general public" context. i.e. in massive urban concentration. And are extremely easy to avoid.

A car - you're being typically (of people who make such arguments) OTT on that one. Cars are inanimate objects. They are only dangerous when people get into them and start to operate them (and for the record, anyone causing death whilst operating a car should, IMO, be locked up and the key thrown away).

Big dogs like this?

Like I said, I'm not a dog person so I don't really understand it. Mate of mine has a mastiff. It's an impressive animal in terms of its size, mass, power etc. Hell, it's even very friendly and I've never had an issue with it. But it's not a pretty animal particularly. It smells (quite bad). They cost a fortune to run. They don't have massive longevity (due to the way they have been bred for power and mass). And if it wanted to rip my arm off I'd pretty much have to let it. Where's the attraction? I've asked my mate - he loves the thing as a "friend", though I think the ultimate attraction was down to the power of the animal - it's telling that he's very nervous about opinions from other quarters. I also think the "guard dog" angle came into it - ie part of its purpose is that it's frightening.


thinfourth2

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Friday 24th December 2010
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Digga said:
can't say I'm 100% happy with current ownership controls. Both our dogs are rescue - biggish cross-breeds, clearly abandoned and/or mistreated by the underclass, prior to being rescued by charities - and the sheer numbers of these dogs turning up in the system is testimony to the level of failure to control ownership IMHO.
I think we should bring back the dog license system

Get found with a dog without a license then you are taken and put down.

Wings

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Friday 24th December 2010
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Digga said:
clonmult said:
Am I the only one who finds it disturbing to read that the press have been informed of the incident before the family?
Seems 'the way' these days.

I was in Gatwick on Mon evening. The Sky screens told people the airport was shutting before the airport tannoy...

As for the dog attack, there's probably more to it, but agree that all dogs have the capacity to injure. I own two dogs - I'm a dog person - but can't say I'm 100% happy with current ownership controls. Both our dogs are rescue - biggish cross-breeds, clearly abandoned and/or mistreated by the underclass, prior to being rescued by charities - and the sheer numbers of these dogs turning up in the system is testimony to the level of failure to control ownership IMHO.
News reports say that there was also a puppy in the house, and possibly the older dog protecting the puppy.

Eric Mc

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Friday 24th December 2010
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singlecoil said:
Makes me wonder if there will ever be a way of stopping this sort of thing from happening. Even if the government was to bring in effective anti-nasty-dog legislation there is no way it could be enforced.
No.

Next.

singlecoil

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Friday 24th December 2010
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
singlecoil said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Murph7355 said:
Not being a dog person, I struggle to see why people insist on keeping dogs like this (i.e. ones that can very easily overpower a grown human, let alone a child, if they turn for whatever reason).
Yes. Lets get rid of Horses too rolleyes

Hang on, cars can too. Ban them as well.
Not really a satisfactory responses, unless you are suggesting that horses are likely to deliberately attack people? Cars too?
No. that is the point.
Dogs aren't 'likely' to deliberately attack people either.

A horse is a lovable animal. Get on the wrong side of one and inadvertently they can lash out and kick etc.

My point is that many things are capable of overpowering People, going round with a banning hammer is immature.

In fact I would say the biggest culprit is 'People' themselves - how often are people attacked by People versus attacked by dogs.

Original statement is stupid one. That is all.
It's not 'stupid'. You may have a different point of view, but that doesn't make the statement 'stupid'. Incidentally, I also struggle to see why people would want dogs like that too. My best guess is that their being able to overpower people is the whole and only point, it's just that sometimes the dogs don't understand which people the owners want them to have the potential to overpower. And sometimes that potential is converted into reality.

Edited by singlecoil on Friday 24th December 09:59

fido

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Friday 24th December 2010
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frosted said:
fido said:
Wallington - let me guess it's some chav hell-hole round Sutton with people who like sporting big dogs - like a badge of chavness that occasionally backfires on the owner.
You sound very uneducated and scared of your own shadow
Yes i'm terribly uneducated, only managed to scrape a 2:1 at MSc - still it got me into a decent enough job so that i can afford not to live near some stinking sh9thole like Sutton.