Bellagio Casino Bandit has Quite a Problem

[Jimbeaux]

Thank God for stupid criminals:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101215/...

[TheEnd]

RFID tags in chips...

An interesting concept, and highly likely considering the kind of consumer research and stats they'd bring back...

[tinman0]

I would have thought it's just easier to scrap the current design and get new chips in.

[madala]

....what a thick tt.....

[Jimbeaux]

According to the article, he ripped off another stash of chips from somewhere else.

[EDLT]

Could he (or an accomplice) go in, have his stolen chips split into small ones then cash those in instead?

[Jimbeaux]

EDLT said:

Could he (or an accomplice) go in, have his stolen chips split into small ones then cash those in instead?

Possibly; however, cameras watch everybody, literally. If someone cashes chips they were not seen winning in the casino, there could be a problem. I suspect there is an ID chip as earlier discussed.

[hairykrishna]

I didn't even think it was a secret that all the big casinos have RFID tagged chips these days. It was discussed extensively on a gambling forum I was on a few years ago. This guy has zero chance of cashing any of those chips. The only reason the casino hasn't stated this explicitly is presumably the hope that he'll actually be stupid enough to try.

Edited by hairykrishna on Thursday 16th December 12:35

[davepoth]

tinman0 said:

I would have thought it's just easier to scrap the current design and get new chips in.

But it's more fun to wait until he tries to cash them in, and then take him into to kitchen and beat the st out of him.

[hornetrider]

Hang on - how would RFID work to stop them being cashed in in this case? Are you allowed to remove chips from a casino under normal circumstances? If so, he's got no problem, they'll have no idea which chips are the robbed ones. If, on the other hand no chips are allowed to leave the premises and they can simply identify the missing ones - then he is indeed, buggered.

[tinman0]

davepoth said:

tinman0 said:

I would have thought it's just easier to scrap the current design and get new chips in.

But it's more fun to wait until he tries to cash them in, and then take him into to kitchen and beat the st out of him.

[silver.fox.2008]

hornetrider said:

Hang on - how would RFID work to stop them being cashed in in this case? Are you allowed to remove chips from a casino under normal circumstances? If so, he's got no problem, they'll have no idea which chips are the robbed ones. If, on the other hand no chips are allowed to leave the premises and they can simply identify the missing ones - then he is indeed, buggered.

Think he's stolen a few 25k chips which are closely monitered normally so as soon as he tries cashing those they'll be on him like a rash. If he tries and swaps them at one of the tables im sure they'd get noticed too

[The Walrus]

depending on what type of RFID they are using they can be tagged with information, assuming they have been flashed and logged they would show up when cashed.

He may be very lucky and find they have not but even then the casino would be interested to know why they had not go any data on them.

[hornetrider]

silver.fox.2008 said:

hornetrider said:

Hang on - how would RFID work to stop them being cashed in in this case? Are you allowed to remove chips from a casino under normal circumstances? If so, he's got no problem, they'll have no idea which chips are the robbed ones. If, on the other hand no chips are allowed to leave the premises and they can simply identify the missing ones - then he is indeed, buggered.

Think he's stolen a few 25k chips which are closely monitered normally so as soon as he tries cashing those they'll be on him like a rash. If he tries and swaps them at one of the tables im sure they'd get noticed too

I'm prepared to be educated but I don't buy it. This smells more like putting the heebyjeebies up the perp to scare him out of ever using the chips.

[hairykrishna]

hornetrider said:

Hang on - how would RFID work to stop them being cashed in in this case? Are you allowed to remove chips from a casino under normal circumstances? If so, he's got no problem, they'll have no idea which chips are the robbed ones. If, on the other hand no chips are allowed to leave the premises and they can simply identify the missing ones - then he is indeed, buggered.

Each chip has a unique ID and they have an impressive database of the 'history' of the high value chips, tied to personal details if you happen to be staying at the hotel. Anyone showing up with any of them will have some serious explaining to do - they'll know that they're the stolen ones.

The low value ones won't be as closely tracked, as they don't always bother with RFID, so I suppose he could get away with passing some of those.

[The Walrus]

hornetrider said:

silver.fox.2008 said:

hornetrider said:

Hang on - how would RFID work to stop them being cashed in in this case? Are you allowed to remove chips from a casino under normal circumstances? If so, he's got no problem, they'll have no idea which chips are the robbed ones. If, on the other hand no chips are allowed to leave the premises and they can simply identify the missing ones - then he is indeed, buggered.

Think he's stolen a few 25k chips which are closely monitered normally so as soon as he tries cashing those they'll be on him like a rash. If he tries and swaps them at one of the tables im sure they'd get noticed too

I'm prepared to be educated but I don't buy it. This smells more like putting the heebyjeebies up the perp to scare him out of ever using the chips.

I would be doubtfull on the lower value chips that they would have invested in RFID tags / chips but certainly for the higher value items they could track them very easily within the casino, if the winner was to remove them it could easily be individually logged as they left and checked on entering back into the casino.

The tech behind them has really come on in the last 2-3 years and both transmiters and recievers are far more advance than they have been, they may not even have to get near the cash desk before they are aware that the individual is back.

[The Walrus]

Erm - just for reference hairykrishna and I are not one in the same person !

Edited by The Walrus on Thursday 16th December 13:57

[aponting389]

"lest we forget, once you're out the front door, you're still in the middle of the fking desert! "

[Jimbeaux]

tinman0 said:

davepoth said:

tinman0 said:

I would have thought it's just easier to scrap the current design and get new chips in.

But it's more fun to wait until he tries to cash them in, and then take him into to kitchen and beat the st out of him.

"There are a lot of problems buried in the desert".

[anonymous-user]

Jimbeaux said:

"There are a lot of problems buried in the desert".

Joe Pesci and his brother are out there too, I saw a documentary about it once.