Government gets tough on wheel clampers
Discussion
Just saw this, and thought that a lot of people will be out of work.
Shame huh.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10993473
Shame huh.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10993473
Just so long as if you live near somewhere where parking is at a premium the legislation doesn't stop you dealing with a car some knobjockey has parked on your drive by using a couple of trolley jacks and dragging it out onto the road, or parking yours behind thus blocking it in.
Whilst I detest the private parking scum as much as anybody, especially the ones who engage in deliberate entrapment, there is an argument which says for every clamped vehicle there is a landowner who has been denied use of their land by someone parking without permission or inappropriately.
Whilst I detest the private parking scum as much as anybody, especially the ones who engage in deliberate entrapment, there is an argument which says for every clamped vehicle there is a landowner who has been denied use of their land by someone parking without permission or inappropriately.
F i F said:
Just so long as if you live near somewhere where parking is at a premium the legislation doesn't stop you dealing with a car some knobjockey has parked on your drive by using a couple of trolley jacks and dragging it out onto the road, or parking yours behind thus blocking it in.
I am sure there must be some method of dealing with this, as otherwise Scotland would be a car park.... A very waterlogged car park, but a car park nonetheless........F i F said:
Whilst I detest the private parking scum as much as anybody, especially the ones who engage in deliberate entrapment, there is an argument which says for every clamped vehicle there is a landowner who has been denied use of their land by someone parking without permission or inappropriately.
You know what I actually agree. A system of regulated fees and arbitration wouldn't be a bad compromise going forward. No exhorbitant costs, just a set fee for clamp removal.hornetrider said:
F i F said:
Whilst I detest the private parking scum as much as anybody, especially the ones who engage in deliberate entrapment, there is an argument which says for every clamped vehicle there is a landowner who has been denied use of their land by someone parking without permission or inappropriately.
You know what I actually agree. A system of regulated fees and arbitration wouldn't be a bad compromise going forward. No exhorbitant costs, just a set fee for clamp removal.Jasandjules said:
F i F said:
Just so long as if you live near somewhere where parking is at a premium the legislation doesn't stop you dealing with a car some knobjockey has parked on your drive by using a couple of trolley jacks and dragging it out onto the road, or parking yours behind thus blocking it in.
I am sure there must be some method of dealing with this, as otherwise Scotland would be a car park.... A very waterlogged car park, but a car park nonetheless........5unny said:
Jasandjules said:
F i F said:
Just so long as if you live near somewhere where parking is at a premium the legislation doesn't stop you dealing with a car some knobjockey has parked on your drive by using a couple of trolley jacks and dragging it out onto the road, or parking yours behind thus blocking it in.
I am sure there must be some method of dealing with this, as otherwise Scotland would be a car park.... A very waterlogged car park, but a car park nonetheless........F i F said:
Just so long as if you live near somewhere where parking is at a premium the legislation doesn't stop you dealing with a car some knobjockey has parked on your drive by using a couple of trolley jacks and dragging it out onto the road, or parking yours behind thus blocking it in.
Whilst I detest the private parking scum as much as anybody, especially the ones who engage in deliberate entrapment, there is an argument which says for every clamped vehicle there is a landowner who has been denied use of their land by someone parking without permission or inappropriately.
On the one hand I agree, however they've (collectively) dug their own hole on this one. They shouldn't have hired all these ar$ehole clamping companies who continously take the pi$$.Whilst I detest the private parking scum as much as anybody, especially the ones who engage in deliberate entrapment, there is an argument which says for every clamped vehicle there is a landowner who has been denied use of their land by someone parking without permission or inappropriately.
Ultimately it's the private landowners who have hired these people. They should have been more careful and selective about which companies they used to "police" their land.
There, once, could have been a middle ground that may have worked but they let it get beyond that so inevitably there was going to be a public backlash.
They'll have to think of other, more rational and agreeable ways of sorting out parking on their land.
F i F said:
Just so long as if you live near somewhere where parking is at a premium the legislation doesn't stop you dealing with a car some knobjockey has parked on your drive by using a couple of trolley jacks and dragging it out onto the road, or parking yours behind thus blocking it in.
The Police are to be given new powers to tow from private land! 
paulrockliffe said:
Clamping is pretty stupid though. If there really is a parking problem, then surely stopping a car from leaving isn't the best solution that an intelligent society can come up with?
How about expecting its citizens to act considerate to others? The clamp is the deterrent for parking there in the first instance, it only acts as a deterrent if it is believed to be applied.I'm not the world's biggest clamp fan, but parking on private land without permission is a problem for a great number of individuals and businesses. Polite signs, gentle conversations may work, but often don't. I'm sure most land owners (be they blocks of flats or businesses, whatever) would rather they could wave a magic wand and the problem disappear, but they can't, and a number of individuals will persist in parking where they don't belong. It seems to me the concept of the clamp is aceptable, but some of the practices of some of the clamping companies need very strict regulation.
Let's see what the legislation brings.
10 Pence Short said:
Beware of what you wish for.
In the interests of appeasement to landowners, I would be willing to wager a reasonable sum that the new law will make the Registered keeper liable for all private fines, thus ending the 'ignore' loophole in private enforcement.
This ^^ is exactly what I've been warning against for some time.In the interests of appeasement to landowners, I would be willing to wager a reasonable sum that the new law will make the Registered keeper liable for all private fines, thus ending the 'ignore' loophole in private enforcement.
scenario8 said:
paulrockliffe said:
Clamping is pretty stupid though. If there really is a parking problem, then surely stopping a car from leaving isn't the best solution that an intelligent society can come up with?
How about expecting its citizens to act considerate to others? The clamp is the deterrent for parking there in the first instance, it only acts as a deterrent if it is believed to be applied.I'm not the world's biggest clamp fan, but parking on private land without permission is a problem for a great number of individuals and businesses. Polite signs, gentle conversations may work, but often don't. I'm sure most land owners (be they blocks of flats or businesses, whatever) would rather they could wave a magic wand and the problem disappear, but they can't, and a number of individuals will persist in parking where they don't belong. It seems to me the concept of the clamp is aceptable, but some of the practices of some of the clamping companies need very strict regulation.
Let's see what the legislation brings.
Goodness knows I'm no fan of even more legislation I can foresee a situation where removal of vehicle should be allowed where other methods, gates, barriers have failed or not appropriate.
For example an outfit the size of Tesco can afford to have some system of access control on the car park. But a small independant shop with space for 2 or 3 vehicles cannot. Plus what happens when you go to B&Q, collect your entrance ticket, and they don't have what you want, but you have to buy something or pay to get out of the car park.
In an ideal world it would be perfect if all parties behaved reasonably and with consideration, unfortunately in the matter of parking cars, nobody behaves reasonably, except me and you of course; and dome days I'm not so sure that I'm reasonable and considerate.
Does Scotland have a massive problem with car parking on private land, considering they don't allow clamping there?
Also, I have no doubt in my mind that the clamping companies have bought this measure entirely upon themselves by charging such outrageous prices for clamping and towing. If they hadn't got so greedy they might have been able to continue. Sorry guys
Also, I have no doubt in my mind that the clamping companies have bought this measure entirely upon themselves by charging such outrageous prices for clamping and towing. If they hadn't got so greedy they might have been able to continue. Sorry guys
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