The Tories and gun control
Discussion
I think licencing air guns is a great idea - to try and keep them away from the scrotes who shoot small children and domestic animals from their bedroom windows.
I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
Lefty 200 Drams said:
I think licencing air guns is a great idea - to try and keep them away from the scrotes who shoot small children and domestic animals from their bedroom windows.
I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
I agree with all of your points, I would have loved to have taken up pistol shooting, I enjoyed shooting Browning's in the Navy. Unfortunately as has been said, I don't think they're likely to over turn it.I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
I was about to suggest it was the Tories that bought the ban in but it was a year after Labour came to power (I think). But, given Dunblane and Hungerford, I think the Tories would have done the same thing anyway.
Lefty 200 Drams said:
Eric Mc said:
Didn't the Tories introduce the handgun ban following Dunblane?
My most humble apologies. I thought it was Labour but you're quite right (I just looked it up).they tend to pander to media pressure
they try to become become populist
ironically, despite trying to become popular, they lose touch with the national mood
they think off the cuff legislation will solve social problems
By 1996, that's where the Tories were - and one of the reasons they lost the election in 1997.
Bing o said:
On the grand scheme of things, is this really the most important thing that the government should be focussing on??
I'd rather they brought in mandatory life terms for carrying a firearm in public.
Well, yes, I agree that a carrying an unlicensed firearm should have a very harsh punishment.I'd rather they brought in mandatory life terms for carrying a firearm in public.
I think that firearm legislation needs a complete overhaul. As part of that, the human right to participate in a sport shouldn't be overlooked. I'm very much in favour of strict rules as to who can and cannot own them and very striong sentances for those break the law regarding firearms.
All that the handgun ban did was to punish law-abiding gun owners. It did very little to affect the criminals ability to procure weapons. Although, I grant you, it may have been easier back then for crims to get ammunition in bulk.
Better ammo control is what's needed.
Eric Mc said:
Lefty 200 Drams said:
Eric Mc said:
Didn't the Tories introduce the handgun ban following Dunblane?
My most humble apologies. I thought it was Labour but you're quite right (I just looked it up).they tend to pander to media pressure
they try to become become populist
ironically, despite trying to become popular, they lose touch with the national mood
they think off the cuff legislation will solve social problems
By 1996, that's where the Tories were - and one of the reasons they lost the election in 1997.
Yes - and the law prohibiting the sale of football match tickets by unauthorised agents. This law was introduced in 1993 and not a sibgle prosecution has ever been achieved.
If the current government are planning a Bonfire of Legislation, they could do no worse than look at some of the inane legislation the previous Tory government introduced.
If the current government are planning a Bonfire of Legislation, they could do no worse than look at some of the inane legislation the previous Tory government introduced.
Lefty 200 Drams said:
I think licencing air guns is a great idea - to try and keep them away from the scrotes who shoot small children and domestic animals from their bedroom windows.
I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
As someone who spent most of their teens and early 20s competitively shooting nearly all disciplines of pistol, rifle, hunting and clays at a very high standard I would never want to see handguns legalised in the UK again.I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
There is absolutely no question in my mind that unlike any other firearm discipline, handguns were frequented by 95% wierdos who lived in an alternate world.
There is something about a handgun which attracts oddballs. And I mean serious oddballs.
I also suspect that a decade of shootemup computer gaming has given rise to a group who would fail to appreciate just how dangerous these types of weapons are.
No sir. I was happy to see them banned and I'm as pro shooting as someone gets without become odd.
Bing o said:
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I'd rather they brought in mandatory life terms for carrying a firearm in public.
Could have unintended consequences - if being caught carrying a gun gets you the same sentence as murder, what do you think a significant number of gun-totting criminals will do when stopped by an unarmed policeman?I'd rather they brought in mandatory life terms for carrying a firearm in public.
youngsyr said:
Bing o said:
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I'd rather they brought in mandatory life terms for carrying a firearm in public.
Could have unintended consequences - if being caught carrying a gun gets you the same sentence as murder, what do you think a significant number of gun-totting criminals will do when stopped by an unarmed policeman?I'd rather they brought in mandatory life terms for carrying a firearm in public.
Good point however. Maybe we should arm the police in that case?
DonkeyApple said:
Lefty 200 Drams said:
I think licencing air guns is a great idea - to try and keep them away from the scrotes who shoot small children and domestic animals from their bedroom windows.
I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
As someone who spent most of their teens and early 20s competitively shooting nearly all disciplines of pistol, rifle, hunting and clays at a very high standard I would never want to see handguns legalised in the UK again.I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
There is absolutely no question in my mind that unlike any other firearm discipline, handguns were frequented by 95% wierdos who lived in an alternate world.
There is something about a handgun which attracts oddballs. And I mean serious oddballs.
I also suspect that a decade of shootemup computer gaming has given rise to a group who would fail to appreciate just how dangerous these types of weapons are.
No sir. I was happy to see them banned and I'm as pro shooting as someone gets without become odd.
My experience is precisely the opposite. The people I've had the pleasure of shooting with were just ordinary people with a slightly unusual hobby, and for whom safety was, without exception, the absolute priority. Closest people to "weirdos" I ever met were the few "headbangers", who'd always use the heaviest loads they could, even for 20yd target shooting. Hardly dangerous though.
And "pro shooting"? Er, no, you're not.
The Black Flash said:
DonkeyApple said:
Lefty 200 Drams said:
I think licencing air guns is a great idea - to try and keep them away from the scrotes who shoot small children and domestic animals from their bedroom windows.
I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
As someone who spent most of their teens and early 20s competitively shooting nearly all disciplines of pistol, rifle, hunting and clays at a very high standard I would never want to see handguns legalised in the UK again.I also believe that handguns should be available for those who can demonstrate they have the responsibility and the home security...
The ban was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to Dunblane, gun-crime has increased by a fair margin since the handgun ban was brought in.
There is absolutely no question in my mind that unlike any other firearm discipline, handguns were frequented by 95% wierdos who lived in an alternate world.
There is something about a handgun which attracts oddballs. And I mean serious oddballs.
I also suspect that a decade of shootemup computer gaming has given rise to a group who would fail to appreciate just how dangerous these types of weapons are.
No sir. I was happy to see them banned and I'm as pro shooting as someone gets without become odd.
My experience is precisely the opposite. The people I've had the pleasure of shooting with were just ordinary people with a slightly unusual hobby, and for whom safety was, without exception, the absolute priority. Closest people to "weirdos" I ever met were the few "headbangers", who'd always use the heaviest loads they could, even for 20yd target shooting. Hardly dangerous though.
And "pro shooting"? Er, no, you're not.
IMHO until the UK (1)beats back years of social programming wherein the masses have transferred their right to self defense, by and large, to the State and (2)deprograms the general population from the belief that an inanimate object (a firearm) is "evil", "inherently bad" or a danger just because it exists, making handguns available to the general population is a moot point.
The one "human right" that probably needs to be restored FIRST is the right of the law-abiding individual to be free from threat to life and limb from those in society that habitually use violence and disregard of other's rights to eke out their existence on this ball of dust.
While it is all good and well to be civilized and progressive, it is a pyrrhic victory when one lays slain on the floor of their own house because they are following society's mandate that only the State is allowed to protect the individual. That is a bargain of Faustian proportions.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin, 1775
The one "human right" that probably needs to be restored FIRST is the right of the law-abiding individual to be free from threat to life and limb from those in society that habitually use violence and disregard of other's rights to eke out their existence on this ball of dust.
While it is all good and well to be civilized and progressive, it is a pyrrhic victory when one lays slain on the floor of their own house because they are following society's mandate that only the State is allowed to protect the individual. That is a bargain of Faustian proportions.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin, 1775
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