List of stuff the coalition is doing to help the working man

[CHIEF]

I'm getting grief again off a couple of left wing friends (i use that term loosly)
saying the Tories and coalition is favoring the rich, i said balls. They are increasing the tax threshold to 10k, have scrapped hips immediately and are giving power back to the public over schools and policing and are forcing the workshy to get their backsides and accept jobs

Is there anything else that i can hit them with?

(apart from a big stick)

[grumbledoak]

CHIEF said:

They are increasing the tax threshold to £10k

Isn't this nearly doubling it? If your so-called friends don't see that as a good thing for the working poor I'd stop taking their calls.

[CHIEF]

TBH all i'm getting is uneducated comments of... The Tories only look after their own, the rich blah de blah. When i ask for a bit more of an in depth answer i cant get one.

[whoami]

grumbledoak said:

the working poor

[Dracoro]

Just ask them for examples of policy from the coalition (which isn't "tory", it's lib-dem & tory coalition) where it's about looking after their "own". Noteworthy is that, as the election figures state, there's more of their "own" than labours "own".

Also, something I ask anyone who uses the term "workers", what do they mean. I work, am I not one of the "workers"?

[Mojocvh]

whoami said:

grumbledoak said:

the working poor

Tell me about it, don't see what is funny about it at all. (look no swearing or death threats [aka Mary] YET)

[elster]

Ask them to point out the policies in which they think they are looking after their own.

I can then rip their points apart for you.

[grumbledoak]

whoami said:

I'm missing the humour, clearly.

If any group among us deserve a break after the last thirteen years, they do. Care to explain?

[spud989]

The 'public' in charge of schools, in certain areas, is a recipe for unmitigated disaster.

[Yeast Lord]

CHIEF said:

TBH all i'm getting is uneducated comments of... The Tories only look after their own, the rich blah de blah. When i ask for a bit more of an in depth answer i cant get one.

I am fed up hearing these stupid people saying that. Where the fk have they been the last 13 years whilst the labour party have only been looking after their own?

[CHIEF]

Yeast Lord said:

CHIEF said:

TBH all i'm getting is uneducated comments of... The Tories only look after their own, the rich blah de blah. When i ask for a bit more of an in depth answer i cant get one.

I am fed up hearing these stupid people saying that. Where the fk have they been the last 13 years whilst the labour party have only been looking after their own?

You should hear all the Thatcher comments i'm getting. I'm like - how long ago did she resign? This is from people who were not even born when she came to power FFS.

[Fittster]

spud989 said:

The 'public' in charge of schools, in certain areas, is a recipe for unmitigated disaster.

Why only the motivated are going to take on being in chaege of their own school?

By 'public' do you really mean 'muslim'?

[Funkateer]

CHIEF said:

Yeast Lord said:

CHIEF said:

TBH all i'm getting is uneducated comments of... The Tories only look after their own, the rich blah de blah. When i ask for a bit more of an in depth answer i cant get one.

I am fed up hearing these stupid people saying that. Where the fk have they been the last 13 years whilst the labour party have only been looking after their own?

You should hear all the Thatcher comments i'm getting. I'm like - how long ago did she resign? This is from people who were not even born when she came to power FFS.

Maybe you should reply by mentioning Churchill! Coalition and all that!

[M3333]

CHIEF said:

Yeast Lord said:

CHIEF said:

TBH all i'm getting is uneducated comments of... The Tories only look after their own, the rich blah de blah. When i ask for a bit more of an in depth answer i cant get one.

I am fed up hearing these stupid people saying that. Where the fk have they been the last 13 years whilst the labour party have only been looking after their own?

You should hear all the Thatcher comments i'm getting. I'm like - how long ago did she resign? This is from people who were not even born when she came to power FFS.

Yes, especially rife in the North East of England. You have to question the sort of fantasy land these people live in, if they are that blinkered on political views i dread to think how unrealistic they are about the life they lead in general!

It is simply astonishing how people cannot remain impartial, look up facts and figures, then base opinion on what they have found. A large amount of folk seem to take whatever the screen in the corner (BBC GROAN) at face value or whatever 'bob' down the pub has to say has to be 100% true, 'cos well it's bob innit'.

Worrying if any of these types of people make it to a managerial position in a work environment, glad i don't work for one of them!!

[Digga]

grumbledoak said:

whoami said:

I'm missing the humour, clearly.

If any group among us deserve a break after the last thirteen years, they do. Care to explain?

In the run up to the election, George Osbourne also - very astutely - latched on to an issue very close to the heart of the 'working poor'; the fact that they have to motivate themselves to get up and go out to earn a living, whilst the curtains of the neighbouring scum houses remain drawn until the Kyle show starts.

For once we can beleive we have a government that is deadly serious about tackling the problem of the non-working class.

[spud989]

Fittster said:

spud989 said:

The 'public' in charge of schools, in certain areas, is a recipe for unmitigated disaster.

Why only the motivated are going to take on being in chaege of their own school?

By 'public' do you really mean 'muslim'?

No, because I'm not a massive racist.


Scenario A) Run down school on depressing council estate in northern town. Ofsted say it's failing. The kids speak 45 different languages and turn up to parents' evening is about 25%. Those 25% often turn up drunk and can be abusive. The vast majority are not functionally literate.

(This one is factually accurate to describe a small primary school a few miles from where I work, where a friend of mine teaches)

Do you think it's a wise idea to have these parents dictating the school's directions and priorities?

Scenario B) Middle class 'good' school which achieves well. Lots of pushy, somewhat rude middle class parents. Every single one thinks their child is the next Einstein, when actually they're just 'reasonably smart' and they st a brick whenever they get anything lower than an A*. Kids are already achieving their realistic potential (variety of Cs to As), but that's not good enough for parents running it. Staff, feeling hounded, leave in droves. The school bombs.

(Again, not gonna name names)


Many parents who get involved with schools have highly honourable and laudable intentions. But there are plenty who are unrealistic, sanctimonious and completely out of touch with the reality of education and/or the realistic capabilities of pupils and staff on a day to day basis.

Not to mention the huge potential for massive conflicts of interest (staffing, relationships, awarding of contracts.


I repeat: disaster in the making. Parents already have a say on how the school is run - they put themselves forward to be parent governors on the board of governors and are therefore involved in the direction and running of the school. Running a school is not a part-time job.

[turbobloke]

spud989 said:

Scenario A) Run down school on depressing council estate in northern town. Ofsted say it's failing. The kids speak 45 different languages and turn up to parents' evening is about 25%. Those 25% often turn up drunk and can be abusive. The vast majority are not functionally literate.

(This one is factually accurate to describe a small primary school a few miles from where I work, where a friend of mine teaches)

Do you think it's a wise idea to have these parents dictating the school's directions and priorities?

You make it sound like this type of parent will be interested in opening a new school - they won't - and even if they did the impression you give is that it's an automatic right all the way up to completion, with no due process, which is not the case.

spud989 said:

Running a school is not a part-time job.

So it's just as well that parents won't necessarily be running them, given that the proposal and application process are quite sobering so the likelihood is they will be looking for non-LA specialists to do that.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/school...

[spud989]

As much as I'd love it to be so, a successful author is not going to be at the forefront of every school. I know what you're saying about the process, but horrendously thick people can seem pretty coherent on paper. And the current condition of the welfare state means that people are becoming remarkably adept at box-ticking